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10-12-2010, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
But the rule was created by LaHood. How it could be a failure?? 
Did you see this moron's next quest? He wants to eliminate the use cell phones while driving, not just texting, but cell phone use period even the use of hands free devices.
Did you see this moron's next quest? He wants to eliminate the use cell phones while driving, not just texting, but cell phone use period even the use of hands free devices.
10-12-2010, 08:01 AM
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Hey, I have a quick question for you contract experts. My conversion date for the May AE is December 1st, but I won't begin training until the middle of December. The question is: Do I continue to fly in my present seat/base after my conversion date, or am I benched until training?
Thanks. I tried to decipher the contract, but it still wasn't clear to me.
Thanks. I tried to decipher the contract, but it still wasn't clear to me.
10-12-2010, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Nopac
Hey, I have a quick question for you contract experts. My conversion date for the May AE is December 1st, but I won't begin training until the middle of December. The question is: Do I continue to fly in my present seat/base after my conversion date, or am I benched until training?
Thanks. I tried to decipher the contract, but it still wasn't clear to me.
Thanks. I tried to decipher the contract, but it still wasn't clear to me.
Are you sure that you have an actual conversion date, or just a projected conversion date? My projected conversion from the May AE is also December but no hard date has been given yet.
If you have a hard date than I believe you are not required to fly after that date in your current aircraft.
10-12-2010, 08:12 AM
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Yep, there is the trick. They have not assigned you a conversion in DBMS all that list is, is a best guess, so until they actually assign you a conversion date you are not converted. Now the latest conversion per the AE may come up. If you are past that date, then you are converted by default and sit at home until training.
10-12-2010, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Yep, there is the trick. They have not assigned you a conversion in DBMS all that list is, is a best guess, so until they actually assign you a conversion date you are not converted. Now the latest conversion per the AE may come up. If you are past that date, then you are converted by default and sit at home until training.
Can you put that into layman's terms for us FNWA types. I was under the impression that they only had until DEC 1st to convert us from the May AE.
I am going to the 320 with a Nov "Projected" training (not happening) and a Dec conversion. I have not seen anything on a projected Conversion anywhere (DBMS or otherwise). Everything I have been told is as of Dec 1st I am off until I go to training. Is this not the case?
Thanks for any clarification for those 5000 of us that missed Indoc
Vol
10-12-2010, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by volav8r1
Whoa,
Can you put that into layman's terms for us FNWA types. I was under the impression that they only had until DEC 1st to convert us from the May AE.
I am going to the 320 with a Nov "Projected" training (not happening) and a Dec conversion. I have not seen anything on a projected Conversion anywhere (DBMS or otherwise). Everything I have been told is as of Dec 1st I am off until I go to training. Is this not the case?
Thanks for any clarification for those 5000 of us that missed Indoc
Vol
Can you put that into layman's terms for us FNWA types. I was under the impression that they only had until DEC 1st to convert us from the May AE.
I am going to the 320 with a Nov "Projected" training (not happening) and a Dec conversion. I have not seen anything on a projected Conversion anywhere (DBMS or otherwise). Everything I have been told is as of Dec 1st I am off until I go to training. Is this not the case?
Thanks for any clarification for those 5000 of us that missed Indoc
Vol
That's what I thought too, but it appears that we got some bad gouge!
Anyway, thanks for the help guys. Looks like I get a little more de-ice fluid for my coffee in December!
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10-12-2010, 09:13 AM
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I do not have the AE in front of me, but you are correct if the Conversion window ends Dec 1, 2010. If you are not in training you are off. That is the latest date one can be converted on that AE.
I was also discussing pilots that have planned conversion dates in the middle of the conversion window. It is "planned' Until it shows in DBMS it is not official. That does not hold true if you are not converted by the end of the conversion window.
I was also discussing pilots that have planned conversion dates in the middle of the conversion window. It is "planned' Until it shows in DBMS it is not official. That does not hold true if you are not converted by the end of the conversion window.
10-12-2010, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Yep, there is the trick. They have not assigned you a conversion in DBMS all that list is, is a best guess, so until they actually assign you a conversion date you are not converted. Now the latest conversion per the AE may come up. If you are past that date, then you are converted by default and sit at home until training.
All the flexibility for planning is on their side. What if Vol has x-mas plans? Ooops, doesn't matter. It's easier for the company to keep him hanging on until they decide what they want to do.
At the very least, we need to tighten it up so they have to pick a conversion date (and put it in writing) within a reasonable time (say 10 days) after publishing the AE award. Then both sides can plan. If the company doesn't get their house in order with respect to training and gets backed up, then the pilot sits home.
10-12-2010, 09:19 AM
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When I went in to ecrew to check in for my trip, I saw that my two weeks of vacation for the end of December had been removed for training, and that got me wondering about all this. Now I need to figure out how to rebid the vacation for February or something!
Man, I am clueless with this stuff....
Man, I am clueless with this stuff....
10-12-2010, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I do not have the AE in front of me, but you are correct if the Conversion window ends Dec 1, 2010. If you are not in training you are off. That is the latest date one can be converted on that AE.
I was also discussing pilots that have planned conversion dates in the middle of the conversion window. It is "planned' Until it shows in DBMS it is not official. That does not hold true if you are not converted by the end of the conversion window.
I was also discussing pilots that have planned conversion dates in the middle of the conversion window. It is "planned' Until it shows in DBMS it is not official. That does not hold true if you are not converted by the end of the conversion window.
VACANCY/SURPLUS AWARD REPORT
ADVANCE ENTITLEMENTS TEXT
AS OF 09:01:48 19MAY2010
AWARD DATE: 19MAY10
CONVERSION WINDOW: 01JUN10 - 01DEC10
If you were awarded something on the May AE and have not already converted and aren't on the November conversion list, you'll be converted on 1 Dec. At that time you forfeit your current category (Sec 22) and await training at a pro-rated portion of the ALV.
You'll receive your new pay rate as well.
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