OK, take a look at the NTSB animation:

YouTube - Colgan 3407 NTSB Animation with Sound

When you say the Captain "allegedly" made an error, what exactly do you mean?

The Captain crashed the plane, independently of the fact the F/O was also trying to help him crash the plane. Look at the speed tape (which reflects stall speed for existing flap settings, not the settings he wished for), look at the power levers, and look at the elevator and aileron inputs throughout this sad evolution.

IOW, he F/O was trying very hard for a Best Supporting Actress Oscar in this horror movie, but he was notnethelss the lead actor, and the director. Considering his actions in the years prior, and his (alleged) falsifications of records, I'd say he wrote the script too.

I stand by my assertion: this accident had little to do with fatigue. You're mistakenly assuming that even if she had rolled out of bed all nice and fresh, she would have the skills and experience to overcome his desperate attempts to crash the thing. Looking at her act of retracting the flaps, even once the adrenalin flowed... I just don't see it. In other words, her being tired was not the accident link that needed to be broken, her presence and was the accident link.

Your statement is backed up by the US Constitution. Any legislation that had such a provision would have to be struck down as a clear constitutional violation.

Carl

Except the NPRM doesn't tell you where you have to live, only that you have to be rested and fit for duty. What you suggest may be a big issue, but it's not the relevant issue in this case.

The NPRM language is incorrectly skewed by the 3407 lobby, based on a non-related case, but the refernces to commuting are nonetheless present in the text. With Pandora's box opened, I think there is no way you successfully argue that anything that happens before you fly is only your business. If it were so, there would also be no alcohol regs.

Again, I'm not arguing any of this is good, and I disagree with the inclusion of the language, but it seems to me the most logical solution that might then work for all parties would be for pilots to be affored an option to pick up trips close to home. This isn't a case of advocating for something on my part: I prefer driving to my junior, big base, and I have no incentive to see the flying shift to satellite bases.

...+1...
Chuck

Don't forget IAH/HOU and SFO

What is up with this?

19 folks have got up and walked out of training recently and that of the 19 there are 4 lawsuits filed so far.

These numbers are the best info available to someone (coming off of furlough bypass) I know that did in fact get up and walk out at ATL.

Unbelievable! Guess you don't have elderly parents you have to help support. Or, a laundry list of other highly personal reasons people commute.

This is me giving you a real ugly look, setting my beer quietly on the bar and walking away.:mad:

Why did said person get up and walk out? There's a lot of info missing from this statement.

There would be a lot of unhappy people in Dallas. Most pretty senior.

Even some CPs commute.

What about the FA me too clause? Maybe they should be forced to live in base too. They need to be rested to perform emergency duties.

What are you talking about, New Hires, Recurrent training? What school house, in ATL or MSP? We need more info if want us to ask the right questions and maybe find out....