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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 891827)
ALPA weatherman responsible for rain
October 27, 2010 ALPA was the bargaining agent during rain at four poorly-performing markets this winter .... "It rained at Lynchburg, Va.; Florence, S.C.; and London, Ontario, on Jan. 4. seasonally at Hilton Head, S.C., said MEC Communications Chair Buzz Lightyear. We were the bargaining agent during these showers." Fact check dot com reported it is unique for a weatherman to take credit for the weather. Pilots in Atlanta, Minneapolis, Detroit, Memphis, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City, and Seattle all said they did not care, since none of the rain fell on them. Pilots in Cincinnati could not be reached for comment." Sir, we don't measure this game by "you lose, I win." We measure our union by its ability to bring together pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining. We measure our union by the power it has at the table. Proactive engagement and working with management to our mutual benefit is a good thing, but it is not a replacement for a monopoly on their labor supply. One leading candidate for MEC Chairman told me, and I quote, "Scope does not matter." His opinion is based, like yours, on the fact that economic trends are resulting in management pulling down RJ flying. Therefore we do not need to "invest" in job protection provisions which are not needed. What scares me is that many completely fail to grasp what this is about. It is about UNITY. It is about a union powerful enough to come to the table and say "we represent pilot labor. You can not operate your airline without us." Every job outsourced makes this statement less and less true. If scope has no value, then that should cut either way. If it does not matter, the management should not care if we close the loopholes in our contracts as the contracts they permit expire. Of course it does matter. By minimizing scope's importance it prepares expectations for the next big scope sale. Richard Anderson now publicly draws the line at 100 seats and is talking more about the C Series engine being a games changing tech. Our Company publishes a 100 seat line with no rebuttal from ALPA. We've already outsourced a 122 seat platform that is restricted to an arbitrary seat limit which could easily vanish under economic stress. The C Series waits with no firm orders (except at "regional" airlines) as everyone waits to see who's going to operate the thing. I sit here with a Delta seniority number wondering too. Of course the biggest storm cloud on the horizon is economic. Can we afford to replace our MD88 and 757 fleet? The 88's life could be extended, but the 757's structural limits are more finite. Further, if "scope does not matter" then by extrapolation neither do our pilots' jobs. That is a terrible political position. We need to renounce our support for outsourcing in unequivocal terms. Sorry if that ties your hands, but unity is job one in a union. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 891843)
Slow,
Sir, we don't measure this game by "you lose, I win." We measure our union by its ability to bring together pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining. We measure our union by the power it has at the table. Proactive engagement and working with management to our mutual benefit is a good thing, but it is not a replacement for a monopoly on their labor supply. One leading candidate for MEC Chairman told me, and I quote, "Scope does not matter." His opinion is based, like yours, on the fact that economic trends are resulting in management pulling down RJ flying. Therefore we do not need to "invest" in job protection provisions which are not needed. What scares me is that many completely fail to grasp what this is about. It is about UNITY. It is about a union powerful enough to come to the table and say "we represent pilot labor. You can not operate your airline without us." Every job outsourced makes this statement less and less true. If scope has no value, then that should cut either way. If it does not matter, the management should not care if we close the loopholes in our contracts as the contracts they permit expire. Of course it does matter. By minimizing scope's importance it prepares expectations for the next big scope sale. Richard Anderson now publicly draws the line at 100 seats and is talking more about the C Series engine being a games changing tech. Our Company publishes a 100 seat line with no rebuttal from ALPA. We've already outsourced a 122 seat platform that is restricted to an arbitrary seat limit which could easily vanish under economic stress. The C Series waits with no firm orders (except at "regional" airlines) as everyone waits to see who's going to operate the thing. I sit here with a Delta seniority number wondering too. Of course the biggest storm cloud on the horizon is economic. Can we afford to replace our MD88 and 757 fleet? The 88's life could be extended, but the 757's structural limits are more finite. Further, if "scope does not matter" then by extrapolation neither do our pilots' jobs. That is a terrible political position. We need to renounce our support for outsourcing in unequivocal terms. Sorry if that ties your hands, but unity is job one in a union. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 891704)
The very definition of a low expectation.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 891843)
Slow,
Sir, we don't measure this game by "you lose, I win." We measure our union by its ability to bring together pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining. We measure our union by the power it has at the table. Proactive engagement and working with management to our mutual benefit is a good thing, but it is not a replacement for a monopoly on their labor supply. One leading candidate for MEC Chairman told me, and I quote, "Scope does not matter." His opinion is based, like yours, on the fact that economic trends are resulting in management pulling down RJ flying. Therefore we do not need to "invest" in job protection provisions which are not needed. What scares me is that many completely fail to grasp what this is about. It is about UNITY. It is about a union powerful enough to come to the table and say "we represent pilot labor. You can not operate your airline without us." Every job outsourced makes this statement less and less true. If scope has no value, then that should cut either way. If it does not matter, the management should not care if we close the loopholes in our contracts as the contracts they permit expire. Of course it does matter. By minimizing scope's importance it prepares expectations for the next big scope sale. Richard Anderson now publicly draws the line at 100 seats and is talking more about the C Series engine being a games changing tech. Our Company publishes a 100 seat line with no rebuttal from ALPA. We've already outsourced a 122 seat platform that is restricted to an arbitrary seat limit which could easily vanish under economic stress. The C Series waits with no firm orders (except at "regional" airlines) as everyone waits to see who's going to operate the thing. I sit here with a Delta seniority number wondering too. Of course the biggest storm cloud on the horizon is economic. Can we afford to replace our MD88 and 757 fleet? The 88's life could be extended, but the 757's structural limits are more finite. Further, if "scope does not matter" then by extrapolation neither do our pilots' jobs. That is a terrible political position. We need to renounce our support for outsourcing in unequivocal terms. Sorry if that ties your hands, but unity is job one in a union. |
Originally Posted by Columbia
(Post 891828)
The reality of the situation, however, is that there is currently nowhere to divert. There are thousands upon thousands of very qualified rj drivers trying to move on and almost nowhere to go. As seen lately in the hiring demographics across the industry, being senior at a regional certainly doesn't allow for priority. It is these factors which are in part causing many "lifers" to dig their heels in if at all possible.
His 2 main options are emirates and qatar. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 891912)
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His 2 main options are emirates and qatar. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 891793)
FtB;
We should not have to pay to bring this flying back. Let a contract expire, and then it returns in house. I do not care if DAL wants to bring the jet over or not. That is there call. I want the "flying" back and in the routes. If DAL wants to stick a C172 on it, great, we will fly it. We can also be pragmatic enough to realize that forcing DAL to cancel these contracts costs money, so we allow them to expire, along with a commitment from DAL for no renewals, extensions, expansion, or new ASA's. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 891789)
Is that Dot Matrix have an airplane near it? It would start off as a good day if that happened.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 891793)
FtB;
We should not have to pay to bring this flying back. Let a contract expire, and then it returns in house. I do not care if DAL wants to bring the jet over or not. That is there call. I want the "flying" back and in the routes. If DAL wants to stick a C172 on it, great, we will fly it. We can also be pragmatic enough to realize that forcing DAL to cancel these contracts costs money, so we allow them to expire, along with a commitment from DAL for no renewals, extensions, expansion, or new ASA's.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 891843)
Slow,
Sir, we don't measure this game by "you lose, I win." We measure our union by its ability to bring together pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining. We measure our union by the power it has at the table. Proactive engagement and working with management to our mutual benefit is a good thing, but it is not a replacement for a monopoly on their labor supply. One leading candidate for MEC Chairman told me, and I quote, "Scope does not matter." His opinion is based, like yours, on the fact that economic trends are resulting in management pulling down RJ flying. Therefore we do not need to "invest" in job protection provisions which are not needed. What scares me is that many completely fail to grasp what this is about. It is about UNITY. It is about a union powerful enough to come to the table and say "we represent pilot labor. You can not operate your airline without us." Every job outsourced makes this statement less and less true. If scope has no value, then that should cut either way. If it does not matter, the management should not care if we close the loopholes in our contracts as the contracts they permit expire. Of course it does matter. By minimizing scope's importance it prepares expectations for the next big scope sale. Richard Anderson now publicly draws the line at 100 seats and is talking more about the C Series engine being a games changing tech. Our Company publishes a 100 seat line with no rebuttal from ALPA. We've already outsourced a 122 seat platform that is restricted to an arbitrary seat limit which could easily vanish under economic stress. The C Series waits with no firm orders (except at "regional" airlines) as everyone waits to see who's going to operate the thing. I sit here with a Delta seniority number wondering too. Of course the biggest storm cloud on the horizon is economic. Can we afford to replace our MD88 and 757 fleet? The 88's life could be extended, but the 757's structural limits are more finite. Further, if "scope does not matter" then by extrapolation neither do our pilots' jobs. That is a terrible political position. We need to renounce our support for outsourcing in unequivocal terms. Sorry if that ties your hands, but unity is job one in a union. ---- http://www.animationartgallery.com/i...SIM/SIMPFB.gif That's Homer walking backwards and dancing evidently, but still, he was walking backwards and thats because someone got to talk to someone high about the order of that performance check and someone low now gets it. I was also shown the big picture but cannot reveal it because it was big and beautiful. And in it, I saw north thanking the south and the south thanking the north, I saw Slow drinking a Samuel L. Jackson beer with Bar, ACL and Carl and they were all happy, I saw 80 showing his train set to Hockey and Super and J29 and they were happy, Tsquare had bought Luvjockey a round because he was happy, newk had found the ultimate 9- one that could handle him, cheerleader pics had become cheerleaders and red dresses were red dresses again. And I saw so much more and you were all very happy, and know that while I cannot mention you all or tell you what I saw it was all very beautiful. All that possible, by using the O2 mask. Maybe I should've cleaned it but why? http://www.3click.tv/mp4//Chappelles...data/62767.jpg |
What, I wasn't in your big picture? Oh, just your nightmares when Cam takes a debilitating hit when he tries to do that running thing. There I was holding Nick Saban's headphone cord!:D
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Just a friendly reminder to everyone:
IF DALPA GIVES DELTA MANAGEMENT THE 100 SEATER AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL, GENERALLY EVERYONE POSTING ON THIS BOARD WILL BE WITH OUT A JOB FOR MANY YEARS. YOU WILL BE FURLOUGHED IF YOU WERE HIRED AFTER 2000! MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS A REAL POSSIBILITY, I IMPLORE EACH OF YOU TO PLEASE CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS KNOWN TO YOUR REPS!!! YOUR JOB FAMILY AND CAREER DEPEND ON IT!!! |
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