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Bucking Bar 10-27-2010 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 891461)
Hey, there's 10 piglets there. With your photoshop skills maybe you can name a piglet for each DCI (or former DCI) carrier from which the latest generation of Delta pilots came!:)

Google can find anything:

ASA PRODUCTS


ASA,

A “naturally nutritious” baby piglet creep feed specially formulated to ease the change from mum’s milk to solid feed. it can be fed dry or mixed into porridge for the very young piglet.

TOGA LK 10-27-2010 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 891469)
Hands-on airport searches - BostonHerald.com

Airline passengers nationwide will be subjected to new aggressive and controversial body searches likened to “foreplay” pat-downs under the expansion of a program tested at Logan International Airport.

Beginning Friday, the Transportation Security Administration will start using the new front-of-the-hand, slide-down screening technique for passengers at all 450 of the nation’s commercial airports.

The more invasive pat-downs - which include over-the-clothes searches of passengers’ breast and genital areas - have raised privacy issues among civil liberties advocates. TSA screeners previously used pat-down hand motions to search passengers, switching to the backs of their hands when covering sensitive areas such as the torso.

As first reported by the Herald in August, the TSA implemented the new body-search procedures at Logan and Las Vegas-McCarran International Airport because they were using the largest number of walk-through full-body scanners at security checkpoints. Also controversial, the scanners use low-dose X-rays to produce two-sided, head-to-toe images of passengers’ bodies - including discernible but indistinct images of private parts - while blurring facial features.

The TSA declined comment on the national rollout date, but two sources confirmed it. The pat-down techniques will be included in the TSA’s new set of standard operating procedures for screening issued Friday.

Passengers who opt not to walk through the full-body scanners are subject to the searches, as well as passengers who set off metal detectors at checkpoints without the scanners. The TSA also picks random passengers for the searches.

Lots of airline passengers are in for a surprise, said Chris Ott, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, which assailed the new pat-downs when they started at Logan.

“We question the effectiveness of the methods that are being presented and the choice that travelers are being given,” he said. “. . . Travelers are being asked to choose between being scanned ‘naked’ and exposed to radiation, or getting what people are describing as just a highly invasive search by hands of their entire bodies.”

Kate Hinni, founder of the non-profit FlyersRights.org consumer group, said the new searches amount to a “foreplay pat-down” that for many people is going to “feel like a moral issue.”

“It’s like having to choose the lesser of two evils,” Hinni said. “Both are horribly invasive.”
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Well that's easy. If the TSA agents are hot as many are in the southeast, pat down with a happy ending. In the other case, find a way to work up a b-o-n-e-r for the old scanner and hand the agent a thumbdrive. Life is what you make of it I guess. TIC

Back to the other posts, I am finally in agreement with some Delta guys. ALPA lost me when Lee Moak punched out for half a million in salary and compensation, including a retirement, without having to negotiate one for those he left behind. With incentives like that, there will always be conflict of interest in the upper echelons of ALPA. We need representation that gets a pay increase when the line guys do.

All but one guy I've flown with has sent a card in, just a matter of time until we hear both sides. Can always vote no later on if you don't like what you see.

Jughead 10-27-2010 12:50 PM

Example five for Wasatch:

ALPA's inability to enable CrewPass outside of 3 airports. It's only been what, about 3 or 4 years since the program was started? How much beta testing needs to be done?

Agree on the lesser of two evils comment. Either be bombarded with "low dose" radiation for the next 25 years, or get a rubdown from a guy actually willing to rub a guy down.

Where's the puking smiley option?

TOGA LK 10-27-2010 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 891482)
Google can find anything:

ASA PRODUCTS


ASA,

A “naturally nutritious” baby piglet creep feed specially formulated to ease the change from mum’s milk to solid feed. it can be fed dry or mixed into porridge for the very young piglet.

"Creep feed" ROFL

Sadly:
Kate Hinni, founder of the non-profit FlyersRights.org consumer group, said the new searches amount to a “foreplay pat-down” that for many people is going to “feel like a moral issue.”

-This will be the first bit of action a few of our Riddle pilots have ever had.

Rogue24 10-27-2010 12:59 PM

I get the impression that the reason for the new type of TSA screening procedures are for a reason. My guess is they have specific information that they are targeting. It seems to include pilots too.

This is what I noticed.

Bucking Bar 10-27-2010 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by Rogue24 (Post 891497)
I get the impression that the reason for the new type of TSA screening procedures are for a reason. My guess is they have specific information that they are targeting. It seems to include pilots too.

This is what I noticed.

They make up crap to keep themselves relevant. They spent bazillions of our money on these cool new scanners without sufficient testing, understanding of the health effects and alternatives. Now they are in reactionary justification mode.

BTW I'm sure we will find those nukes made of yellow cake in Iraq any day now.

orvil 10-27-2010 01:21 PM

MEC Elections
 
Does anyone have any firm intel as to the identities of the candidates for MEC Chairman? I heard that Kingsley's one of them. Who else?

TOGA LK 10-27-2010 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by orvil (Post 891506)
Does anyone have any firm intel as to the identities of the candidates for MEC Chairman? I heard that Kingsley's one of them. Who else?

And the way ALPA is structured, you won't have any say or likely any idea until it's a signed deal. Expect something in your v-file with the outcome.

NuGuy 10-27-2010 02:17 PM

Heyas,

Good back and forth on the DCI thing.

I agree. Dusted off airplanes are not "growth airplanes". Not to mention the loss of 14 frieghters, 10 757s and over 100 DC-9-30s (just from the NWA side), and forfeiture of an entire market segment.

DCI ASMs may very well be down, but consider this, what ASMs were lost and is that flying that mainline pilots have done in the past?

If XJ pulls off a Saab or an RJ from Topeka or Iron Mountain, when was the last time a mainline pilot performed that flying (if ever)? Obviously we want all the flying, but if the ASMs are shifted from flying that wasn't performed (recently) by mainline pilots to flying that was, it still represents a net loss of flying for mainline pilots even if the DCI ASMs are down as a whole.

Walk down the A Concourse in DTW (or B...or C..sigh), and you will see DCI flying almost entirely to ex-DC9 routes...such is an example of this mechanism in operation.

Figures lie and liars figure, but the proof is in the airplanes and the bottom line is the number of pilots we have, which in this case, is still less than after the merger, and nearly 4,500 pilots less than the combined peak.

Nu

johnso29 10-27-2010 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 891533)
Heyas,

Good back and forth on the DCI thing.

I agree. Dusted off airplanes are not "growth airplanes". Not to mention the loss of 14 frieghters, 10 757s and over 100 DC-9-30s (just from the NWA side), and forfeiture of an entire market segment.

DCI ASMs may very well be down, but consider this, what ASMs were lost and is that flying that mainline pilots have done in the past?

If XJ pulls off a Saab or an RJ from Topeka or Iron Mountain, when was the last time a mainline pilot performed that flying (if ever)? Obviously we want all the flying, but if the ASMs are shifted from flying that wasn't performed (recently) by mainline pilots to flying that was, it still represents a net loss of flying for mainline pilots even if the DCI ASMs are down as a whole.

Walk down the A Concourse in DTW (or B...or C..sigh), and you will see DCI flying almost entirely to ex-DC9 routes...such is an example of this mechanism in operation.

Figures lie and liars figure, but the proof is in the airplanes and the bottom line is the number of pilots we have, which in this case, is still less than after the merger, and nearly 4,500 pilots less than the combined peak.

Nu

You're right Nu. So what's the solution? EMB190's with unknown lifespans on the airframes? Unproven C-Series or Mitsubishi jets? The DC9's are being parked & the union can't change that.


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