Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

So if someone disagrees with you or voices and alternative opinion they are

A.) Not a pilot/pretending to be a pilot
B.) Work for management
C.) Need to go back to Airliners.net
D.) Must be type rated on a xerox copier.
E.) must be pencil whipping paper somewhere in a cubicle.

No, not just anyone. I was just referring to you.

Carl

Carl Spackler

10-26-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 890858)

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Carl;

Is this an official poll? Won't it give away our bargaining position?

Well played sir!

Carl

Carl Spackler

10-26-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 890866)

Only through a profitable company will we realize major LONG TERM wage gains.

You won't realize anything if you won't fight for it. In your case, you don't even want to ask!

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 890866)

Extracting a 65% raise may make guys like Carl rich but they will only last till the next down turn.

It's not extracting...it's restoring!

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 890866)

When that comes then I along with the other bottom third will be on the street, the top guys will be back to previous levels of compensation, and Carl and his ilk will be laughing all the way to the bank.

No. When that happens, we pilots do what we've always done. We give what is necessary to save our companies. And if you would lower your neurosis long enough to think, you would realize that the top third takes the same hit as the middle and bottom third when pay cuts come. Nobody laughs all the way to the bank...except management that is.

Carl

Carl Spackler

10-26-2010 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 890870)

Reducing debt, buying jets with cash etc, is good for us the "Joe" employee.

That's true. I just don't want anyone to forget where the money is coming from for the next 9 quarters and beyond...the pilots' extreme sacrifices. Don't forget...don't forget!

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 890870)

If DAL paid off its entire debt it would free up 2 billion plus dollars a year in money that is spent on interest for financing that debt. Guess where that could go? You guessed it, employees, and a huge initiative to renew the airline. Everyone one wins.

Not if you don't fight for it! And certainly not if you do management's job for them by trying to lower your fellow pilots' expectations before Section 6 even begins! I'll tell you man, you wouldn't even be enjoying the low pay we're getting now if all of us old farts had your attitude years ago. Grow a freakin spine!

Carl

Carl Spackler

10-26-2010 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 890873)

If DAL makes 1.3 billion in profit this year, our pay restoration takes all of that and turns DAL in to a company that is barely in the black.

No it doesn't. It just means they wouldn't have been able to pay down quite as much debt. Get your facts straight. Then stop doing management's job for them.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 890873)

Find a way to get pilot pay equal industry wide and you make pilot costs, a fix cost and not a variable cost. Given every pilot association's action in the 1113C era we all agreed that we were in fact a variable cost.

No, the bankrupcy judge agreed we were a variable cost.

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 890873)

No one argues that work needs to be done, it is just "how" we want the work done.

I don't think you mean that at all. I think you're all about lowering the expectations of your fellow pilots so that you get noticed by management some day. Your "work" here is plainly obvious.

Carl

Carl Spackler

10-26-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 890886)

And if DAL paid of it's entire debt it would make us a huge takeover target. There is a fine balance that must be maintained which has just enough to keep raiders at bay yet be able to continually cry poor.

Man is THAT ever true!

Carl

formerdal

10-26-2010 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 890837)

I really hope you're a cubicle guy pretending to be a pilot. :(

Carl

I think many here including myself had been thinking the same about you!

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