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acl65pilot 10-28-2010 03:31 AM

Is that Dot Matrix have an airplane near it? It would start off as a good day if that happened.

acl65pilot 10-28-2010 03:35 AM

FtB;
We should not have to pay to bring this flying back. Let a contract expire, and then it returns in house. I do not care if DAL wants to bring the jet over or not. That is there call. I want the "flying" back and in the routes. If DAL wants to stick a C172 on it, great, we will fly it. We can also be pragmatic enough to realize that forcing DAL to cancel these contracts costs money, so we allow them to expire, along with a commitment from DAL for no renewals, extensions, expansion, or new ASA's.

Superpilot92 10-28-2010 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 891793)
FtB;
We should not have to pay to bring this flying back. Let a contract expire, and then it returns in house. I do not care if DAL wants to bring the jet over or not. That is there call. I want the "flying" back and in the routes. If DAL wants to stick a C172 on it, great, we will fly it. We can also be pragmatic enough to realize that forcing DAL to cancel these contracts costs money, so we allow them to expire, along with a commitment from DAL for no renewals, extensions, expansion, or new ASA's.

Agreed!! !

NWA320pilot 10-28-2010 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 891713)
No Carl that is a from a person that has over 25 years left with this corporation. It is not from someone like yourself that may be gone when the house of cards would implode.

I also do not see this as a low valuation for the next PWA.

I have almost 20 years left with the company so I won't be gone when "the house of cards implode" (which it will). That said we should be expecting to have full pay and work rule restoration and then some! We are a big part of why our company is where it is at today. We will only get what we stand up for, do not expect management to offer you what you are worth. Remember it's their job to extract as much profit as possible and we are one of the variables.

acl65pilot 10-28-2010 04:17 AM

NWA320, no kidding, we are just a line on the ledger, I mean that. That is also why thorough and in depth analysis is needed. The cost of each item is needed, so we can compare apples to apples.

Restoration will not even be a possibility unless we have a unified group.

scambo1 10-28-2010 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 891742)
Sad isn't it? I married a French Canadian, they know beauty in France, what the heck happened?

Although Irish... black Irish women are well...

http://www.mp3lyrics.org/t/the-corrs/the-corrs_4.Jpg



Here is one thing to think about and correct me if I'm wrong but we're locked into long term contracts with regional airlines for airplanes that are deemed unprofitable.

That is a threat no matter where you stand on the rj issue. In a sense, it is a threat to all from the Delta pilots to the RJ lifers its just a matter of how long until it bites you in the posterior or worse.

In house means you dump what you don't want anymore and buy what you do. I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out in business you need to be as flexible and adaptive as you possibly can be.

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Great point FTB!

I commute frequently with an "RJ Lifer" who works for Comair. I'm not commenting on either of those labels. Today he is a senior Captain. In 2 years he will be a junior FO.

He is in serious job hunting mode right now - which is painful for him, it would be for anyone. But my belief is that in a way he is lucky - the writing is on the wall. "Divert early, be the first in line for the gas" applies here.

The RJ lifers at other companies will have the opportuity to do what he is doing sooner or later. If that is the case, isn't sooner better?

iceman49 10-28-2010 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 891793)
FtB;
We should not have to pay to bring this flying back. Let a contract expire, and then it returns in house. I do not care if DAL wants to bring the jet over or not. That is there call. I want the "flying" back and in the routes. If DAL wants to stick a C172 on it, great, we will fly it. We can also be pragmatic enough to realize that forcing DAL to cancel these contracts costs money, so we allow them to expire, along with a commitment from DAL for no renewals, extensions, expansion, or new ASA's.

When we bring back that flying, lets also bring back our training.

chuck416 10-28-2010 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 891711)
Since he got promoted, it's a little different: "RJ's are good for ALPA"

Carl

Carl,
Did Moak ACTUALLY say that? Is this a 'sure-enough' quote? I just gotta' know...
Chuck

slowplay 10-28-2010 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 891714)
How about this?:

Example five: The new ALPA President wrote a lengthy campaign letter listing the many threats to our profession. He did not list weak scope or RJ's as a threat. In fact, he didn't mention it at all!

Carl

Delta will end regional service in four markets
October 27, 2010



Delta will suspend regional service in four poorly-performing markets this winter as it streamlines its fleet and reduces less-efficient turboprops and small jet aircraft from the Delta Connection fleet.

Service will end at Lynchburg, Va.; Florence, S.C.; and London, Ontario, on Jan. 4. Seasonal service at Hilton Head, S.C., will be suspended on Monday. No Delta employees will be affected at any of these stations.

The decisions were made in part because Delta is phasing the Saab 340 turboprop out of the regional fleet, and about 50 of the 50-seat CRJ-200 aircraft are being retired this year as well. In addition, revenue and passenger loads in each of the markets had declined significantly this year.

The market suspensions come as Delta focuses on maintaining its capacity discipline and concentrating growth in profitable markets. The airline’s capacity is forecast to grow between 1% and 3% next year.

Columbia 10-28-2010 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 891809)
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Great point FTB!

I commute frequently with an "RJ Lifer" who works for Comair. I'm not commenting on either of those labels. Today he is a senior Captain. In 2 years he will be a junior FO.

He is in serious job hunting mode right now - which is painful for him, it would be for anyone. But my belief is that in a way he is lucky - the writing is on the wall. "Divert early, be the first in line for the gas" applies here.

The RJ lifers at other companies will have the opportuity to do what he is doing sooner or later. If that is the case, isn't sooner better?

The reality of the situation, however, is that there is currently nowhere to divert. There are thousands upon thousands of very qualified rj drivers trying to move on and almost nowhere to go. As seen lately in the hiring demographics across the industry, being senior at a regional certainly doesn't allow for priority. It is these factors which are in part causing many "lifers" to dig their heels in if at all possible.


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