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KC10 FATboy 11-09-2010 04:45 AM

I've been off the grid for a little while. What have I missed as far as the Latest and Greatest of Delta?

AE rumors?
Hiring rumors?

ACL ????

acl65pilot 11-09-2010 04:55 AM

KC10;
For many the world appears quiet, but never believe that. I am sure a lot of things will be coming over the next few months :D

The few times I have picked up trips I have submitted a WS in the first PCS run and been awarded the trip. It has shown up as a WS.

acl65pilot 11-09-2010 04:57 AM

As for the AE stuff. Look like the Ja/Feb bid will be a standard bit with a a few slots. Training is too backed up to handle more and it would be unwise for the company to use their 365 bid that early. Because of this the bid in April/ May will make the last MOAB bid pale in comparison. On this bid I would expect a few new categories and a ton of training. The company will exercise their contractual right to their one 365 day conversion window on this larger bid that will be in the second quarter of 2011.

tsquare 11-09-2010 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 898339)
I don't think you know FTB, but I went to Auburn for one year before transferring to Virginia Tech. You were probably only a glint in your daddy's eye but..I was there. Saw Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band play at the basketball arena in 1978. Greatest. Concert. Ever.

I wasn't a Springsteen fan back then... I had two roommates that had extra tickets that they had camped out for.. and viola! Front row.. center... for over four hours they played.. and it was an awesome show. Same tour as yours.. but in Knoxville....

JABDIP 11-09-2010 05:21 AM

Medical Question???

My 11 year old just diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. Trying to sort through all the plans. Anyone have a suggestion/experience as to which plan works the best for diabetes. Do any of the options have the byram plan. Sorry for the off subject question, but any thoughts would help, please PM. Thanks.

Check Essential 11-09-2010 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by caddis (Post 898371)
PCS Question

So I put in for a swap with the pot for a trip. It is a 5 day trip running the same days as the trip I want to swap it for. The only difference is better layovers and higher value.

I look this morning and I am not awarded the trip. Someone else junior to me is awarded as a white slip. The trip does not depart for a week.

I thought PCS was suppose to honor seniority. Can someone explain this one to me.


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 898389)
Please provide any updates you get on this as to why this happened. I am very surprised a WS would be awarded that early and thus deprive you of the chance to get the swap. Seriously screwed up.

Why it happened is easy. Its contractual. White slips go before swaps. (Section 23.E.2)

The logic is less apparent. I imagine they designed it that way for a couple reasons. The guy submitting a white slip is theoretically "short" for the month. He gets first crack at filling up his schedule before the swaps can grab a higher time trip. Second, the company benefits because a white slip eats up more open time than a swap.

UncleSam 11-09-2010 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 898391)
I thought WS were only awarded no sooner then two days before the departure date. Is that not true? Still learning

Nope, white slips are awarded beginning with the first PCS run for the entire month. Many folks will wait until that last chance the day before the trip just to see if something better shows up.

GunshipGuy 11-09-2010 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 898390)
WS are also the medium used to pick up open time. Someone with VAC that wants to pick up a trip could have easily picked up the whole trip.


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 898391)
I thought WS were only awarded no sooner then two days before the departure date. Is that not true? Still learning


Sure it's the medium, but like mdmax says...inside of two days. A WEEK OUT? Doesn't seem kosher to me. Now I am looking at this as if it were a WS to a reserve pilot. If it went to another reg line holder who wasn't swapping, but instead was just picking it up then I have to ask (since I'm not a line holder and am not familiar)--is that treated differently (e.g. does a WS take precedent over a swap)?:confused:


Disregard...Essential addressed it.

acl65pilot 11-09-2010 05:45 AM

When I flew a line I would bid min credit and WS on the first PCS run, as Uncle Sam has said. Let me find the contractual reference for everyone....

acl65pilot 11-09-2010 05:47 AM

Section 23. P

P. White Slips
1. A regular pilot may, via DBMS, submit a white slip for open time:
a. in category, in the current or next bid period, if he will be in the category of the open
time on the day it originates, and
b. in a different category (i.e., out-of-base) for same-day/next-day open time, if he will
be in the position of the open time on the day it originates.
2. A white slip may stipulate specific rotations and/or specific dates, in order of preference
and may also include any of the stipulations set forth in the PCS template.
3. White slip lists will be produced for each category each day after 0700E and 1800E.
4. White slips will be processed under Section 23 E., N. or O., subject to the following:
a. A white slip for open time that is covered between 0800 and 1800 (pilot’s base time)
must be submitted before 0700E of the current day.
Exception: A white slip request submitted after 0700E of the current day will be
considered in seniority order after those requests submitted by 0700E.
b. A white slip for open time that is covered between 1800 of the current day and 0800
of the next day (pilot’s base time) must be submitted before 1800E of the current day.
Exception: A white slip request submitted after 1800E of the current day will be
considered in seniority order after those requests submitted by 1800E.
c. Open time awards under Section 23 N. or O. will be based on the most recent white
slip list.
d. White slips for beyond-next-day open time will be processed during each PCS run. A
rotation award will be placed on a pilot’s schedule. (see Section 23 E.)
e. A pilot will not be awarded a white slip for same-day/next-day open time that
includes special airport/route qualifications for which he is not qualified.
f. A pilot will not be awarded a white slip for a rotation that originates in the current bid
period that would create an FAR and/or PWA conflict with a rotation previously
awarded/assigned in the current bid period. (i.e., no loop-back to undo a previously
awarded/assigned rotation).
5. When awarding a white slip in a time critical assignment (i.e., a rotation that is scheduled
to depart within three hours of attempted contact):
a. the Company will:
1) attempt to contact the pilot using at least two telephone numbers listed in DBMS,
and
2) afford the pilot accepting the award the reporting time ability of a short call
reserve pilot.
b. a pilot who cannot be contacted or who declines the award (this is a proffer) will be
by-passed without pay protection.
6. A white slip will remain active for processing until:
a. the stipulations in the white slip have been met,
b. the time frame specified by the pilot expires, or
c. the pilot withdraws the white slip.
7. A pilot will not be awarded a white slip if:
a. the credit of the rotation would cause his projection to exceed the ALV plus 15 hours,
b. the block time of the rotation would cause his total projected block time for the bid
period to exceed his block hour limit,
c. he is a low-time Captain and the rotation was previously awarded to a low-time First
Officer,
d. he is a low-time First Officer and the rotation was previously awarded to a low-time
Captain,
e. he has not completed OE,
f. the rotation creates a rotation overlap and/or is within 30 minutes of creating an FAR
and/or PWA conflict,
Exception one: This 30 minute limitation does not apply to the pilot’s block hour
limit. (Section 12 B.)
Exception two: A pilot may be awarded a white slip in the current bid period that
will create an FAR and/or PWA conflict with a rotation in the next bid period. The
conflicting rotation in the next bid period will be removed from the pilot’s line. The
pilot’s projection/line guarantee will be reduced by the credit of the removed rotation.
g. the open time includes a day on which APD appears on his schedule or a reserve day
on which PD appears on his schedule,
h. the rotation does not conform with his stipulations entered under Section 23 P. 2., or
i. the open time is scheduled to operate during a period(s) of his absence due to sick
leave.
8. An out-of-base pilot will:
a. receive pay, credit and per diem for the white slip rotation(s) beginning at his report
for the rotation at the base at which the rotation originates and ending at his release at
such base.
b. not be reimbursed for transportation, lodging, and per diem before his report to and
after his release from the white slip rotation(s).
c. not be awarded a white slip for open time that includes special airport/route
qualifications or an aircraft model for which he is not qualified.
d. be required to be available at the base where the rotation was scheduled to originate
in order to satisfy his recovery obligations under Section 23 K.
e. be considered to be based, for reroute purposes, at the base where the rotation was
scheduled to originate.
9. Out-of-base white slips will only be considered for same-day/next-day open time.


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