FTB has an excellent point.
A bid posting is not any sort of legally binding document.
Its only the awards that carry contractual rights.

The bid is just a rough draft of the company's intentions at that moment. They are free to look at who bids what and what kind of training and paid moves would be involved and then they can award whatever they want. Or not award whatever they want, as the case may be.

They were quite honest about that when they did the CVG7ER conversions. They put out a memo telling everyone that they may or may not follow through on the posting depending on who bids for the openings.

Wonder if this displacement will silence some of the "commuting is a choice" crowd in ATL?

I have a home for sale or rent in MSP for anyone moving :).

Yes I think it would.

Sometimes ice fishing can be fun.

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/t...Icefishing.jpg


Photo posted in honor of Super's return.
Carefully inspected to ensure no underboob.

if the flying was leaving ATL, I would agree with you. But the flying is not leaving......just the jobs. A little different from DFW which closed and CVG which has lost it's flying.

This must be a photoshop job, 'cause I don't see any popped Circuit Breakers :D

[quote=Check Essential;725014]Sometimes ice fishing can be fun.

http://i627.photobucket.com/albums/t...Icefishing.jpg


Lake Minnetonka near Fletchers I think.......

The Delta reserve rules are AWFUL!!!! I have now worked 4 days in a row for 12:58 credit and only 3 flying duty periods. Under the former NWA contract, this would have credited me 20 hours. About the only thing better in the Delta contract is the hourly rates and not even by that much. I guess NWA credited me more for my time because the higher guarantee was harder to break. Rant over.

So quit. Or run for office.

That is exactly correct.
The picture is legit.

Minnesota has a bikini ice fishing team. Very popular. Very PG rated. All good fun.

Bikini Ice Fishing Team: They're Ice Fishing in Bikinis!

What airplane are you on, hockey? Are the giving you long call?

Typical Delta south response. You don't even realize that most regionals have better reserve rules than the largest airline in the world. Our PWA should have taken the best of both worlds. You have no idea how many things were actually better at NWA. Your 5:15 min day for lineholders seemed better until we realized deadhead days don't count. Now we have a ton of rotations with a single deadhead back to base on the last day. It seems like with everything that seemed better in your contract, there is a catch that we find out about later. I am going to run for office when it gets closer to contract time. We need huge positive sum gains next contract.

I guess the NWA pilots should have looked closer at what they were voting for. In case you missed it....It is now our contract and an over whelming majority of Delta north guys voted for it......not the case at Delta south.

PS sorry for being less than pleasent but I hear thois a lot from north guys and it is ridiculous!!!!!!

What Check Essential said. Reserve is only bearable if you live in base.

And MSP
 

And for those thinking about bidding MSP, it has WARMED UP to -6 (temp not wind chill) so far this morning and there's about 8" of snow on the ground right now. As was said before...that ain't grits on the ground! :D

Uh oh. A North v. South tiff brewing right before an AE can never be good.

One positive: His complaint and hopefully upcoming answer will help me figure my PBS bid. Probably my AE/MD bid, too.

Denny,

It's +19 in DTW. See what I mean? :rolleyes:

I hear you "loud and clear!" :D It's just hard to believe there is that much difference between the two.

Denny

His complaint is right on the money.
Its bearable if you live in base, but you definitely don't want to commute to reserve under the Delta system because of the shortcall situation.
And the lack of trip guarantees for reserves really stinks. Some trips pay a whole lot less for a reserve than a regular guy.

Thanks Check,

So, they don't really give out a lot of long calls? I've heard from some people that they do and others that they are hit and miss.

There is a reserve lookback of 5:15 per day. It doesn't show up on rotations but is done on a monthly basis. If you worked 4 duty periods then your lookback is at 21 hours. It doesn't come into play until you bust guarantee. By the way what was your pay rate for the 20 hours you got under the NWA contract, any difference there? How quickly they forget.

New you're always long call, they give you short call.

Like I mentioned, 4 SCs in a row, 0 credit. But I seriously seriously don't care. I live in base. But when I think about what it'd be like to commute to this I've got to believe its not fun and I hope I can commute to a line if/when I'm given the boot. But I might have also not volunteered for consecutive SCs either which I did for this week.

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A reserve pilot may be placed on short call up to six times in a bid period, prorated for
absences known prior to the start of the bid period. A short call period will not exceed 12
hours in a domestic category or 24 hours in an international category. A short call pilot
must be promptly available for contact and report to assigned rotation.

AE is up on iCrew

Excellent point and a precursor to the unanticipated problems this AE threatens to create.

I have to disagree with the "commuting to short-call situation".

I think we have a fine reserve system - I mean, someone has to sit reserve. I have AA guys in my crashpad who come sit reserve, in the crashpad, 20+ days a month because they don't havea short-call/long-call system.

Yes, it's better to be on long call than short call, but it's much easier having the possibility for long call rather than it all being shortcall.

Thanks!! Here come the questions....

I don't see it on resources...

It's not there yet, go to iCrew, then Bids (at the top) then the second line.. Postings of...

Duh. He did say icrew didn't he.

Highlights that weren't mentioned before:

No MEM 755
Some DTW744B surpluses (63)
DTWDC9A+B surpluses (30 each)
MSPDC9A+B surpluses (42 / 34)

98 more openings than surpluses

Closes Dec 29th.

Mmmmmm Ice Fishing
 

I never understood the draw to ice fishing before. Now I can see what I've been missing!:eek:

Wholly CRAP!

Atlanta down 276 pilots.

Anyone know if Georgia Skies is hiring to fly the Caravan?

Atlanta
vacancies
ATL7ERCAPT *35
ATL73NCAPT *15
ATLM88CAPT *24
ATL7ERF/O *35
ATL73NF/O *16
ATLM88F/O *34
displacements
ATL767CAPT -136
ATL765CAPT -*80
ATL767F/O -*80
ATL765F/O -140
Net ATL-276

NYC
vacancies
NYC765CAPT *80
NYC73NCAPT *10
NYCM88CAPT * 7
NYC765F/O 140
NYC73NF/O *10
NYCM88F/O * 9
displacements
NYC 777 Capt -40
NYC 777 FO -41

Net NYC 59

You're on long call all month unless they put you on short call.
The problem is they seem to put a lot of people on short call "just because they can". And they sometimes give you odd hours so you have to come in the night before or can't get out the night you finish. Short call starting at 4 AM or starting at 1 PM and running to 1 AM. etc. Stuff like that.

Total vacancies: capt: 462 f/o: 555 s/o: total system: 1017
Total Surpluses: Capt: 438 F/O: 481 S/O: 0 Total System: 919

Bidding will close at 0900e on tuesday, dec. 29, 2009 and will

Winter Lesson
 

Just make sure you get the Christmas lights up before Thanksgiving. This southern boy learned that hard lesson my first year up here.:o Come to think about it, I learned a lot of those kinds of lessons that first winter. I'm sure I provided my neighbors a great deal of entertainment that winter.:D

The one thing I saw that was interesting is in the surpluses ATL 767 A is 136 but ATL 767 FO is 81.

Knock out 136 Captains off the ATL 767 A list and you're looking at the plug on 767 A being a June 30, 1988 hire. Do the same for the ATL 767 B you're looking at the plug being a Feb 2000 hire.

I bid reserve this month and we are really fat in category. I have yet to sit shortcall this month and have been at home on longcall for all my reserve days so far this month. That being said, I'm fairly senior (at least for Dec.) on reserve and have had a 4 day and 5 day period on call. I expect to get shortcall a few times in my 9 day on call period starting next week.

Off to look at the AE!

Denny

I agree. Doesn't make any sense.

Looks like the big winners are MSP and NYC.


MSP loses 45 DC9A's and 15 320A's but gains 110 M88A's.

NYC loses 40 777A's, but gains 80 765A's.

Big loser (as rumored) ATL:

It's too early for me to do all the math, but it's a lot of subtracting....