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1. Gone with the AE
2. Invasion of the NYC/MSP Body Snatchers 3. SAW IX: AE 29DEC09 4. Bad Company :D 5. There Will Be ATL Blood 6. Sherman Marches Again :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 725236)
Ice you're right as this will be the first realignment, but ATL is not congested. The flying out of here is increasing but being done by crews not only from ATL but NYC, CVG, LAX, SLC, and DTW 744 and 330 crews. And if the rumor is right then the 320 and 9 should be here soon doing fly throughs with no base. This is the realignment of 765s and the elimination of the 767 category. The problem for ATL pilots is no 330 base on this AE so seats go out but don't come in. I think we really wish we had a 320 or 9 base in this AE but we didn't get anything but a kick in the privates.
Our best or only hope here in ATL is they decide to go fat. But I'm not planning on it. Jew Gardens here I come! HA! iPhone autocorrects typing, type Kew and it replaces it with Jew. Funny. Is there an APC app on the iphone or you just using safari? |
Originally Posted by whitt767
(Post 725243)
Jeez---keep going!
DELTA AIR LINES NEW (NYSE: DAL) Real-Time: 11.37 Up 1.49 (15.08%) 1:34pm ET |
Dickson is about to start a meeting in the crew room in ATL, hope somebody can report on what is said.
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I'm glad I've got 30 hours in BWI starting tonight to process all these numbers.
Brain hurt. Need more sidebutt pictures. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 725159)
I don't think there would be any 07-08 hires in ATL and maybe some pre 9/11 hires might be gone too. I think that first 07 class has only about 230-240 ATL pilots below them.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are 0 07-08 hires in any widebody category much to the joy of the "that's not fair (to me) you got hired right into that plane" club. Which means that there will be no 2000 or 2001 hires from the N. I am sure that the 2000 and 2001 DAL-N are going to be excited about the 2007/2008 hires coming in on top of them in the Bus. :cool: Kind of like my kids say "You get what you get and don't pitch a fit" |
Quick question that is probably moot, but does a reinstatment preference go over an AE preference?
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
(Post 725271)
Quick question that is probably moot, but does a reinstatment preference go over an AE preference?
A pilot who has been involuntarily displaced may be reinstated to the category from which he was displaced ahead of pilots attempting to bid into that category if a vacancy is posted in that category with a conversion period that begins within 180 days of the conversion date of the MD. |
I'm going to refer to this bid as the "Great Atlanta Underboob."
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Where can you find out how many pilots have reinstatement rights to a category?
Thanks, |
Originally Posted by PilotFrog
(Post 725271)
Quick question that is probably moot, but does a reinstatment preference go over an AE preference?
A pilot who has been involuntarily displaced may be reinstated to the category from which he was displaced ahead of pilots attempting to bid into that category if a vacancy is posted in that category with a conversion period that begins within 180 days of the conversion date of the MD. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 725290)
A pilot who has been involuntarily displaced may be reinstated to the category from which he was displaced ahead of pilots attempting to bid into that category if a vacancy is posted in that category with a conversion period that begins within 180 days of the conversion date of the MD. As my hero Maxwell Smart would say "Missed it by that much." |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 724882)
I'm Back!!!!!
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 725290)
A pilot who has been involuntarily displaced may be reinstated to the category from which he was displaced ahead of pilots attempting to bid into that category if a vacancy is posted in that category with a conversion period that begins within 180 days of the conversion date of the MD. Reinstatements to a category will be awarded in seniority order, and are processed as part of the AE bid awards. Available reinstatement rights are shown on the DBMS page for entering AE bid preferences. A former NWA pilot who held return or reinstatement rights pursuant to the provisions of Section 24.E.10. of the NWA CBA on the day prior to October 30, 2008 will retain these rights subject to the provisions in Section 22 F. 12. |
I heard that you guys were over staffed by 1000 pilots a few months back. What happened since then?
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Originally Posted by 1234
(Post 725286)
Where can you find out how many pilots have reinstatement rights to a category?
Thanks, Denny |
Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
(Post 725297)
I heard that you guys were over staffed by 1000 pilots a few months back. What happened since then?
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But also we didn't define what overstaffed meant.
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 725298)
As far as I know, there isn't any place to see this information.
Denny Bummer. Thanks Denny. |
Since its worth looking at again:
Awarding AE, VD, and contingent vacancies are awarded in seniority order among pilots whose standing bid contains a preference for the category. MDs and contingent displacements are awarded in inverse seniority order. A pilot who is being displaced may displace to any category in which there is a pilot junior to him. A senior pilot may volunteer to be displaced (VD) in lieu of a junior pilot in his current category. A pilot who is being voluntarily displaced may: a. Displace into a category to fill an existing vacancy that his seniority entitles him to hold, b. Displace a pilot junior to him in the same position in a different base, or c. Displace a pilot in any category who is junior to the pilot whose displacement he has volunteered to take. A pilot’s bid preference for an AE will not be awarded if the award, together with any VD/MD(s) for the same category, would create a surplus that would cause a displacement in the category. In other words, a pilot’s VD or MD bid into a category will supersede a more senior pilot’s AE bid to that category. A pilot who is awarded an AE or VD may be bypassed and pay protected at the higher hourly rate for the hours paid to him in his current category if his qualification training would be within: a. Three years of the date he reaches the mandatory retirement age, by mutual consent between the pilot and the Company. b. One year of the date he reaches the mandatory retirement age, at the Company’s discretion. |
Originally Posted by bigdaddie
(Post 725293)
As my hero Maxwell Smart would say "Missed it by that much."
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 725305)
A pilot’s bid preference for an AE will not be awarded if the award, together with any VD/MD(s) for the same category, would create a surplus that would cause a displacement in the category. In other words, a pilot’s VD or MD bid into a category will supersede a more senior pilot’s AE bid to that category. What is the above highlighed intent and purposes?? Let's say i'm being MDed out of SLC88, are you saying my MD bid to SLC320 will supersede a more senior pilot's AE bid into SLC320?? I thought since SLC320 is a new category with an AE bid, it's open season for all pilots. Thx. |
1. Gone with the AE
2. Invasion of the NYC/MSP Body Snatchers 3. SAW IX: AE 29DEC09 4. Bad Company :D 5. There Will Be ATL Blood 6. Sherman Marches Again :rolleyes: 7. Pilot Interrupted 8. Crash 9. No Bid for Old Men 10. The Silence of the Scope Hawks 11. Tears of Advanced Entitlement |
Originally Posted by rvr350
(Post 725307)
I always thought that if you're MDed, you'll be bumped to whatever your seniority can hold, period.
What is the above highlighed intent and purposes?? Let's say i'm being MDed out of SLC88, are you saying my MD bid to SLC320 will supersede a more senior pilot's AE bid into SLC320?? I thought since SLC320 is a new category with an AE bid, it's open season for all pilots. Thx. Its up to the smart people to explain. |
Notice that these are the following A320 displacements:
DTW 320Capt 3 MSP 320Capt 15 ============= 320Capt = 18 320F/o = 0 [?] Now here are the Advancements: DTW 320f/o 3 MEM 320f/o 4 MSP 320f/o 4 SLC 320Capt 105 SLC 320f/o 111 ============= 320 Capt = 105 320 F/o = 122 So +87 captain positions and +122 F/O positions. Where are all the new A320's coming from, or are they fat stacking it that much? |
A330 Bases
From the Bid Posting Recap:
"The 330-200 rest bunk modifications are currently planned to start in the first quarter 2011.oWe will maintain our current basing until we receive more direction from Network on which markets the 12 hour plus 330-200 aircraft will serve." It looks like there won't be any changes to 330 bases until late next year or 2011. :( Keep in mind that there are only 11 A330-200's. |
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 725184)
newKnow,
DTW gained jobs. I was writing about the economic impact story. But with your temerity, you failed to notice. Glad you have a First Officer to keep out of the weeds. Of course with your pleasant demeanor you should expect to hear only the checklists and only then as a response. Besides, you'll be able to bid those 777 positions sooner than you think. Thik I'll take a break and go push dumbells around literally rather than figuratively. I can see where I was using the wrong numbers, so for that, I apologize. DTW did gain jobs, but it looks like every other base, with the exception of LAX and ATL gained position-wise and money-wise. But, let's be clear here. You can say you were writing about the economic impact story, but when your post opens up with, "the other angle to this is f-DAL bases are taking a big pay cut while f-NWA bases are getting a windfall," you are once again painting the merger to be a nightmare for the D-South and a free-for-all for D-North. Ignoring the other f-DAL bases that are not taking a paycut. Ignoring the f-DAL base that came out pretty good in the deal. If I'm still reading the numbers wrong, besides ATL, which f-DAL bases are taking a big paycut? Why is NYC not getting a big windfall as well? Why did you choose to paint your story in a way that implies that all the f-DAL bases were taking an economic hit and none of them made any economic gain? Help me out here, since you seem to think I need a good first officer to keep me out of the weeds. New K Now |
1. Gone with the AE
2. Invasion of the NYC/MSP Body Snatchers 3. SAW IX: AE 29DEC09 4. Bad Company :D 5. There Will Be ATL Blood 6. Sherman Marches Again :rolleyes: 7. Pilot Interrupted 8. Crash 9. No Bid for Old Men 10. The Silence of the Scope Hawks 11. Tears of Advanced Entitlement 12. The Hunt For White October 13. Terminator V: The Rise of the Snowblowers |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 725303)
But also we didn't define what overstaffed meant.
What's overstaffed anyway? If you are flying 10-20 hours on reserve and people can take personal leaves - is that overstaffed? I think it's just right. Or when lines are 87 hours and reserves are flying till they are illegal - is that understaffed or still a little overstaffed? At some airlines it is the norm. I am sure glad I am not there anymore :) |
Originally Posted by newKnow
(Post 725318)
Ok Bar,
I can see where I was using the wrong numbers, so for that I apologize. DTW did gain jobs, but it looks like every other base, with the exception of LAX and ATL gained position-wise and money-wise. New K Now |
Originally Posted by rvr350
(Post 725307)
.. Let's say i'm being MDed out of SLC88, are you saying my MD bid to SLC320 will supersede a more senior pilot's AE bid into SLC320??
I thought since SLC320 is a new category with an AE bid, it's open season for all pilots. Thx. New category - is up for grabs for everyone, but being MD'd you can bump junior to you guy off the bottom anywhere in the rest of the system. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thx |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 725324)
Actually, LAX gains a little. 10 positions total in the 73. Don't worry New, I'll keep you out of the weeds. ;)
Thanks buzz!! Apparently, I need it! :D |
a FNG question
Is there a way to bid so that if you lose seniority in your catagory to the point that you are no longer a line holder that you can trigger a bid to something else??
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Originally Posted by 944Turbo
(Post 725149)
Funny you say that, but I just sold that car last night in anticipation of moving to snowtown. Having big regrets already about selling it, It wasn't even advertised. Word of mouth. The car is actually a 1994 968 M030, one of 100 in the world with that combo. I have had three '86s 951's over the years though. Off to fix a power steering leak I go before the ppi.
The other day when there was several inches of new snow on the road, as well as plenty of road salt I saw some bonehead driving a new (or almost new) Porsche. I think someone should shoot the SOB for treating such an expensive vehicle like that. |
Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom
(Post 725333)
The other day when there was several inches of new snow on the road, as well as plenty of road salt I saw some bonehead driving a new (or almost new) Porsche. I think someone should shoot the SOB for treating such an expensive vehicle like that.
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Originally Posted by Refund
(Post 725329)
Is there a way to bid so that if you lose seniority in your catagory to the point that you are no longer a line holder that you can trigger a bid to something else??
Anyone? |
Whats the delta way of paying us for training now? It used to be 80 hours for us Northies, whats it now? thanks (to lazy to look it up right now)
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Originally Posted by Refund
(Post 725329)
Is there a way to bid so that if you lose seniority in your catagory to the point that you are no longer a line holder that you can trigger a bid to something else??
Example: If you are currently ATL777A and you only want to stay in that category if you are in the top 70% then you would bid on the AE and VD screens like this: First choice: ATL777A 70% Second choice: DTW 777A (with or without percentage qualifier) Third choice: ATL 765A Fourth choice: NYC 765A 50% Fifth choice: DTW DC9B :eek: Sixth choice: etc. etc. If you can't hold ATL777A at 70% then the computer will proceed to your next choice. If you can hold it, then the computer will stop and you stay put in ATL777A. Clear as mud? |
Hey Super,
Looks like DC-9 is shrinking and pretty much everything else growing...maybe you can finally get back to the A320 seat you lost! |
Originally Posted by freightguy
(Post 725340)
Hey Super,
Looks like DC-9 is shrinking and pretty much everything else growing...maybe you can finally get back to the A320 seat you lost! |
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