Originally Posted by FlyingViking (Post 900012)

Well said, and I agree 100%. On the other note I am also aware that a new union must be chosen when the timing is right, e.g. right after the next contract negotiations.

Originally Posted by FlyingViking (Post 900012)

Well said, and I agree 100%. On the other note I am also aware that a new union must be chosen when the timing is right, e.g. right after the next contract negotiations.

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 900018)

Actually agree with you, personally I'm still in between going from ALPA to DALPA. Not sure how well this will work as we approach one of the biggest contracts of the past ten years for us.

There is alot about ALPA that irks me, but not sure this is the best time to start changing representation.

Originally Posted by DAWGS (Post 900024)

Fear is why we are in the position we are in today. Too many important decisions have been made based on it. Ask yourself, is our current union fundamentally flawed and beyond repair? Are they representing you? If the answers to those questions are Yes and NO then it is better to fix the problem now. There is plenty of time to prepare for section 6. Please don't base your vote for independent on this hurry timeline ALPA is trying to create. They did the same thing with the joint contract. How did that work out for us? BK wages, weak scope, weak retirement. Don't fall into the same trap.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 899992)

DAL88;
They do, but how would you feel if the guys that you are working with to raise the bottom of the industry while simultaneously recapture scope, bailed on your because they opted to form a independent union where they could literally forget about these pilots? Mad to say the least.

What would you expect them to do if you formed an independent union that went and called them inferior, not worth of your time, etc? I would expect them to do what any person or organization would do, throw it back in your face. Without DAL and UCAL pilots in the same broader organization working towards the same goal of tighter scope, while helping them obtain better contracts along the way, leaves the door open for a radical few to derail the whole process.

Leaving the problem the majors created is the most short sighted action we can take. Isolationsim rarely works. We may be able to get on a pulpit and talk only about our internal issues that effect just us, but the reality is that one of the biggest issues is what this action will create.

As a guy that wants restoration as a stated goal and scope recapture, you should realize that keeping these regionals under DALPA's and UALALPA's broader control is a very wise and strategic move. It allows you to fight a one front versus a multiple front attack on your profession.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 900000)

Deadehad;
Have you read the comments from the republic guys. They are more than willing to do it for less than not just you, but any other regional just to get the flying. Guys outside of your scope of control cannot be held in check. Never. Within ALPA you see no group willingly undercutting each other. Corporations may try but the pilots are not. Look no further than Mesaba to see regional guys fighting back when their flying is being used as a threat to lower their contractual value.
RJET on the other hand (not F9 or YX guys) are willing to under cut their own (YX and F9) as well as majors and regionals all for shiny jets.

Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 900041)

Wouldn't it be great if there was a dedicated DPA vs ALPA thread...

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 899960)

Yeah, it's not nearly as satisfying as "destructive rhetoric", but it yields better results.