Amish Pilot

Nice Set-up 944Turbo! ****ssss, please don't let our southern bro's know of all the wonders of the great white north. We will soon be overrun.....
Just kidding, you all are welcome....just bring your snow boots.

Yesterday, I got to enjoy using the Freezing Fog section of our De/Anti-Icing Holdover Tables in Bismarck, ND.

Date Time Wind Vis. Weather Sky Cond. Temp/Dwpt Rel Humid Alt
07 05:52 SE 6 0.50 Freezing Fog VV002 2 /-1 88% 30.23hg

RockyBoy

Yep, they projected 13 for 2010 and 194 left. I'm not sure, but I don't think any of those were PERP's either. I think they all left in 2009, but some of the early 2010 retirements might have been PERP's. I heard they think that number will be double for 2011.

1234

I believe the last PERP's left the property in May.

Denny Crane

I'm pretty sure you are mistaken in thinking the above. I believe quite a few were held until the March/April time frame so the could meet some retirement gates.

If we plan on everyone going to 65 and then some/alot go earlier then we will be pleasantly surprised vice being disappointed if they don't go earlier than 65. It's all in your frame of mind!! Like telling the passengers you will be on time and then getting in early!!

Denny

mmaviator

If you posted that in the F/A crew room....you would never hear the end of it.

RockyBoy

I never really kept track of the PERP stuff so I guess some of the 2010 retirements were PERPS, my mistake.

2009/2010 combined retirements were 352. There were 215 that took the early out so 137 retirements other than the early out's. There were 3 projected for 2009 and 13 for 2010 so we had 121 more than planned which is great. 2011 has a projection of 15 and I've heard they are planning on "alot" more leaving in 2011. The good thing is we only have two more years of guessing then we will know how many will have to leave as they hit 65.

I just love to look at the projected list and dream what my life might be like from 2018 to 2030. The worst year for retirements in that 12 year period is around 500. 2022 could easily see 1000 guys retire in that year alone. I'll probably get diabetes or something right around 2018.

DAL4EVER

Imagine trying to be both in a growth/retirement mode during that time frame. Seeing as we hire 600+ in growth years, imagine that number if we were to try to grow and cover retirements? I don't see how they could do it. Training is maxed out now. Can't imagine what it would be like then. The company will need to be planning for those scenarios in a few years. To be caught with their pants down would be fatal.

I've heard there is upwards of 1000 NWA guys that will hit certain triggers that might make it more advantageous for them to retire next year. Not sure how many would actually do it but the numbers that are floated are for much larger retirement rates potentially.

satchip

Don't worry, there will be about 1 million Indian, Chinese, and Philippino MPL guys who would gladly fill those seats at half our costs.

nwaf16dude

Random AE thought... Seems to be alot of 737s in DTW today. Any rumors of rebasing them here?

Surprise

I dunno. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but the public already seems to hate the low time pilots we already have at the regional level. And they really seem to hate outsourcing. At least our low time regional pilots are Americans (mostly).