Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-30-2010, 06:09 AM
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Are those numbers accurate? I thought we were closer to 600 hours.
12-30-2010, 06:11 AM
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Thanks to the Compass flowback provisions gained in the merger, I don't think you'll see any furloughs anytime soon. If another 9/11 level event happens, then everything is out the window.
12-30-2010, 06:18 AM
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While I'm certainly not buying the assertion that our contract is as good as SWA's, I see one point that he's trying to make. They justify their higher rates with higher productivity, as defined by a higher number of block hours flown by each pilot. If we were to go from averaging 600 hours per year to 700 per year, how many surplus pilots would we have?
Point taken. But how much is the carrying cost of a pilot? 10K/yr, 15K/yr, 20K/yr? Regardless, its not near the compensation difference we currently realize.
$40/hr + approx 40K/yr profit sharing
12-30-2010, 06:22 AM
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The Compass flowback is simply one part of many layers in cost for the company to furlough. The merger with NW has produced a much more diverse fleet that will increase training in a furlough far more then the small Compass operation.
Even if the company decided not to furlough they would stockpile the extra pilots in the lowest paid seats. That would lead to a situation like we had in 09 where we were overstaffed and the reductions had pilots screaming about not enough flying available. Pilots in the bottom copilot seats would see a large cut in pay.
12-30-2010, 06:26 AM
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Ok...I should have said block. I guarantee you if our rigs were better we would be more productive. I fly a lot of trips that are plus/minus a few minutes of trip rig and you know they know that when they build them. Which is why is doesn't cost them a dime to sit you on a 3+46 productivity break on the last day of a 4 day. I'm just saying if our rig was a little bit better there would be some encouragement to build the trips a little better. And, I also know that would be a negative when in comes to hiring. Swa's real only rig that they ever hit is the trips for pay rig. They don't do three 18 hour layovers on a 4 day. How bout a Swa guy pitch in here?
I'm all for efficient schedules; while trip rigs don't affect my schedule, I'd support some improvement to them.
As far as productivity, I think we're about as productive as we need to be, and because of the nature of Delta's operation, we should resist all comparisons between the productivity of the average Delta pilot and the average Southwest pilot.
12-30-2010, 06:28 AM
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While I'm certainly not buying the assertion that our contract is as good as SWA's, I see one point that he's trying to make. They justify their higher rates with higher productivity, as defined by a higher number of block hours flown by each pilot. If we were to go from averaging 600 hours per year to 700 per year, how many surplus pilots would we have?
I am not asserting that our contract is as good as SWA contract either. To accept the current SWA contract as our next contract is however not going to be nearly enough for me to vote yes. If we offered the SWA contract to management I would bet they would jump on it and except instantly. I am however asserting that the differences between the contracts are not nearly as great when you look at all items. I expect at a very minimum SWA payrates plus a few percent and to keep the good things we have in our contract like the 14% retirement contribution. In fact I expect that number to go up into the 16 to 18 Percent range not remain at 14. Offer Delta management the SWA contract and they will have a party over in the GO that will last for weeks!!!
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12-30-2010, 06:36 AM
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I agree with you; we have a serious amount of catching up to do in 2012. A lot of the anguish we now see regarding scavenging for hours every month would go away, if our pay rate was where it should be.
12-30-2010, 06:41 AM
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I don't think their contract would work here, either; our respective operations are too different. I also agree that the SWA payrates, adjusted for equipment, should be the absolute minimum we consider.
12-30-2010, 06:54 AM
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WN payrates alone are what should be considered, and probably their rigging. They make SERIOUS soft money over there.
RSV rules are terrible. 14 short calls a month, no long call.
RSV rules are terrible. 14 short calls a month, no long call.
12-30-2010, 07:05 AM
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I'm sure Carl, 88, and the others of your ilk will be along momentarily to provide the same type of editorial of your personal comment that they provide when a guy who doesn't agree with them cross the line...
Oh boy. Here we go again.
btw, nice law firm you selected.
Maybe in the interest of transparency you can show their historical billing statements for the management teams they've assisted...or maybe just USAPA...
Oh boy. Here we go again.
btw, nice law firm you selected.
Maybe in the interest of transparency you can show their historical billing statements for the management teams they've assisted...or maybe just USAPA...
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