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Old 12-30-2010, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
Since pay has been discussed here lately, I just wanted to dig this one up and throw it out again to see what people think...
While I think it's a not a bad idea to migrate in that direction, it seems that to do it in one fell swoop would cost too much in other areas of the contract. I'd be curious to see the idea costed out, though.

The idea that the company would save in training costs is, I think, vastly overblown. I doubt that too many guys make the smaller seat changes for money. My guess would be that basing, schedules, and seniority in category plays a much larger role.

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As I like to remind my kids, "fair and equal are not the same thing."
Perceived fairness in this case would probably depend on the equipment you currently fly. I can't imagine many 737, 757, 767, 747, or 777 pilots clamoring for this system.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
Are those numbers accurate? I thought we were closer to 600 hours.
I think 800 hours is the current DAL pilot yearly average. Pre BK it was 600 hours.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
The idea that the company would save in training costs is, I think, vastly overblown. I doubt that too many guys make the smaller seat changes for money. My guess would be that basing, schedules, and seniority in category plays a much larger role.
I agree with you on this. While I do think that it would impact the training cycles, I don't think that it would be huge. Like you brought up, pay is just one piece in the decision to bid to a different piece of equiptment.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I am not asserting that our contract is as good as SWA contract either. To accept the current SWA contract as our next contract is however not going to be nearly enough for me to vote yes. If we offered the SWA contract to management I would bet they would jump on it and except instantly. I am however asserting that the differences between the contracts are not nearly as great when you look at all items. I expect at a very minimum SWA payrates plus a few percent and to keep the good things we have in our contract like the 14% retirement contribution. In fact I expect that number to go up into the 16 to 18 Percent range not remain at 14. Offer Delta management the SWA contract and they will have a party over in the GO that will last for weeks!!!
Agreed. SWA's contract is NOT what we want. We want better, & I want to fly LESS in a year for my $$$. Guys shouldn't have to worry about breaking guarantee each month.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I think 800 hours is the current DAL pilot yearly average. Pre BK it was 600 hours.
Thanks for the info--
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tenyearsgone
fyi,

flew with a check-airman. he told me more ers coming out of the desert, thus more hiring.

also, company is researching the viability (it looks great and almost a sure thing) to standardize the cockpit of the 7er and 767-400. Thus creating one category.

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Old 12-30-2010, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
Thanks for the info--
No prob.
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Old 12-30-2010, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I'm sure Carl, 88, and the others of your ilk will be along momentarily to provide the same type of editorial of your personal comment that they provide when a guy who doesn't agree with them cross the line...
What on Earth are you talking about? Would you please contact management/ALPA and ask them what you were talking about when you posted this?

You need to stick to the management/ALPA talking points dude. When you go off on your own, you're incoherent.

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Old 12-30-2010, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
FYI,

Flew with a check-airman. He told me more ERs coming out of the desert, thus more hiring.

Also, company is researching the viability (it looks great and almost a sure thing) to standardize the cockpit of the 7er and 767-400. Thus creating ONE category.

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Please do it before the end of JAN - Would make training SOOO much easier!!

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Old 12-30-2010, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Agreed. SWA's contract is NOT what we want. We want better, & I want to fly LESS in a year for my $$$. Guys shouldn't have to worry about breaking guarantee each month.
Yes- would be none too surprised to see people leaving wn to come here in the next 5 years due to the entire contract/qol.
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