Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-30-2010 | 11:10 AM
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12-30-2010 | 11:15 AM
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And at what payrate? The -400 pays about 13 bucks an hour more.
12-30-2010 | 11:27 AM
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YEa careful with wanting the -400 and rest of the ERs same cockpit. It would mean less people on reserve because any trained pilot could fly any of those jets. CAL is like this, but they get different pay depending on the jet you fly that trip. Imagine trying to figure out what you'd be getting paid that month, and on reserve do you get 400 or only if you fly the 400 that month?
12-30-2010 | 11:33 AM
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Not sure I'm following your logic here. If you think +53% is so outrageous that AA "will be forced" to come off of it, then how do you come up with the idea that we should be aiming at a "realistic opener" of SWA +25-30%?
SWA's current 12 year Captain rate is $210. Our current 12 year 737 Captain rate is $168. SWA + 30% would yield a rate of $273. It would take a 63% increase to our current 737 Captain rate to bring it up to $273.
Last time I checked, 63 is greater (and some would say "less realistic") than 53. (And just to be clear, I totally agree that this would be an appropriate increase for us.)
SWA's current 12 year Captain rate is $210. Our current 12 year 737 Captain rate is $168. SWA + 30% would yield a rate of $273. It would take a 63% increase to our current 737 Captain rate to bring it up to $273.
Last time I checked, 63 is greater (and some would say "less realistic") than 53. (And just to be clear, I totally agree that this would be an appropriate increase for us.)
Finally it will be DAL's turn. Provided the others have signed deals that keep raising the bar, it will allow us to reach that beautiful point of "restoration" that so many are aiming for us to achieve (including me, BTW).
Follow my logic now?
12-30-2010 | 11:34 AM
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YEa careful with wanting the -400 and rest of the ERs same cockpit. It would mean less people on reserve because any trained pilot could fly any of those jets. CAL is like this, but they get different pay depending on the jet you fly that trip. Imagine trying to figure out what you'd be getting paid that month, and on reserve do you get 400 or only if you fly the 400 that month?
12-30-2010 | 11:48 AM
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Because there is no comparable benchmark for AA to use to justify their request. If UCAL and a joint WN/AT contract shows increases, they will be justified (to the NMB, who are the only ones that count) in asking for a percentage increase over what has been agreed upon by other airlines. IF....after the AT/WN and the UCAL gains meet a major gains, then the APA's request will be closer to a "releasable" point. Once a deal is made there, it will then fall on FDX to make some modest gains.
Finally it will be DAL's turn. Provided the others have signed deals that keep raising the bar, it will allow us to reach that beautiful point of "restoration" that so many are aiming for us to achieve (including me, BTW).
Follow my logic now?
Finally it will be DAL's turn. Provided the others have signed deals that keep raising the bar, it will allow us to reach that beautiful point of "restoration" that so many are aiming for us to achieve (including me, BTW).
Follow my logic now?
Now, if the "pattern bargaining" variables that you are counting on to happen come to fruition, then AA's +53% is even more "realistic" than our +63% (current SWA +30%). I don't see a scenario where it's possible that we can take advantage of these "benchmarks" and AA cannot. So, your statements that "AA will have to come off the 53% increase" and "IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WE WILL BE AIMING AT A REALISTIC OPENER OF SWA +25-30%, 17-20%DC, PLUS OTHER CHANGES FOR THE BETTER!" have a fatal flaw in logic, as I illustrated in my previous post.
12-30-2010 | 11:49 AM
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12-30-2010 | 11:51 AM
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YEa careful with wanting the -400 and rest of the ERs same cockpit. It would mean less people on reserve because any trained pilot could fly any of those jets. CAL is like this, but they get different pay depending on the jet you fly that trip. Imagine trying to figure out what you'd be getting paid that month, and on reserve do you get 400 or only if you fly the 400 that month?
Seems to work fine for that category.
12-30-2010 | 12:22 PM
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I only end up with perhaps one long call day a month that actually stays that way and I hang out at home.
For me I'd rather have it be 15 days of SC and make another 50k a year....
12-30-2010 | 12:29 PM
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I want SWA plus 50% pay for starters, and they need to hire enough pilots to get some upward movement for everyone. We are always short handed on reserve pilots, most swaps get denied for low coverage, etc.
Part of the problem also seems to be their incredibly productive four day trips with three DH legs to make 10 hours of pay in four days.
Part of the problem also seems to be their incredibly productive four day trips with three DH legs to make 10 hours of pay in four days.
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