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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
(Post 929809)
You assume it's a negotiating ploy - they might simply buy said aircraft, and show no profits as they will be fully offset by capitol expenditures in fleet renewal, and say there is nothing to give.
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Did you guys hear about the JB FO that lost his FFDO weapon?
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iaflyer;
"CEO Richard Anderson said in a message to employees that Delta pilots will fly the new planes, not feeder carriers. Delta has shifted flying away from feeder carriers, and has gotten rid of more than 70 of its 50-seat regional jets and 25 Saab 340 turboprops. A jet order will give Delta the size of planes it needs "to be able to replace retiring airplanes and have modest growth when the economy and fuel prices support it," Anderson said" Does not matter one bit what he "says." It might be true - it might be false, he may actually mean it 100%, but the environment may change causing him to change what the company actually "does." When DAL Pilots have their butts in metal on property I will believe it. If we negotiate based on rumors/promises/talk/or even firm aircraft orders we are fools who get what we deserve. As someone had posted earlier the company can order 300 aircraft and then sell the orders to other airlines. Nothing wrong with working with management cooperatively on aircraft orders but lets keep our negotiations as a separate issue. Scoop |
Originally Posted by satchip
(Post 929960)
Did you guys hear about the JB FO that lost his FFDO weapon?
Did it go down to PBI with the passenger? |
[QUOTE=Scoop;929961]
Originally Posted by iaflyer;
[B "CEO Richard Anderson said in a message to employees that Delta pilots will fly the new planes, not feeder carriers. Delta has shifted flying away from feeder carriers, and has gotten rid of more than 70 of its 50-seat regional jets and 25 Saab 340 turboprops. A jet order will give Delta the size of planes it needs "to be able to replace retiring airplanes and have modest growth when the economy and fuel prices support it," Anderson said"[/B]
Does not matter one bit what he "says." It might be true - it might be false, he may actually mean it 100%, but the environment may change causing him to change what the company actually "does." When DAL Pilots have their butts in metal on property I will believe it. If we negotiate based on rumors/promises/talk/or even firm aircraft orders we are fools who get what we deserve. As someone had posted earlier the company can order 300 aircraft and then sell the orders to other airlines. Nothing wrong with working with management cooperatively on aircraft orders but lets keep our negotiations as a separate issue. Scoop While at Fedex, we negotiated premium rates based on the A380 buy. Shortly thereafter, mgt cancelled the A380 order, and substituded B777 orders which are only paid at prevailing widebody rates. Once the camel's nose was under the tent, the B727 was beginned to be replaced at B727 rates..... MGT: 2 ALPA: 0 Just sayin' BG |
[QUOTE=acl65pilot;929938]Not once has ALPA or DALPA gone against a pilot vote and signed something that the pilots voted NO for. :eek::eek::eek:
I'm sure that semantically this is a correct statement. However, to be fair, why don't we have all of the pilots that were for the age 65 deal check in. |
Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
(Post 929067)
We need to diversify our hubs and our union I think should be pushing for this.
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Originally Posted by Adolphus Coors
(Post 929073)
I agree....What about TPA MIA or MCO? At least IROPS there only last an hour!
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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 929594)
So if the management of your company tells you that they're going to order new aircraft, don't believe them. It's just a trick...
If the management of your company doesn't tell you that they're going to order new airplanes, don't believe them. They're just mismanaging the place, or trying to manage your contract expectations, as the order will be placed afterwards.... Got it.;) I posted before...we've got 34 DC-9's that are really old. In 2016 we'll have over 60 757's that are 25-30 years old. There'll be a bunch of MD-88's that can't fly NextGen and the early A320's that are over 25 years old. There'll be a bunch of 767's and ER's that are over 25 years old. The FAA just put out an AD on older 757's for fuselage stress. My bet is there'll be more rather than less of those technical issues as the airplanes get older. In spite of what Scambo says, maybe we ought to encourage management to do a prudent fleet renewal. Maybe that's what they're telling you they're doing. Wait, it's all about expectation management and the contract. Sorry, I forgot!:o |
Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 929694)
Unfortunately, there is no aircraft produced in the world today that even comes close to the 757 in terms of payload, range and +performance+ Most routes flown today by that aircraft barely scratch the surface of it's capabilities. The 757 was designed as a 727 replacement, but they ended up with an amazing machine that has no equal. It will be interesting to see how this void is filled, if it ever is. |
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