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ronnie75 11-08-2010 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by TOGA LK (Post 897877)
lastly, are you familiar with AAs reserve system?

Had an AA guy in my crashpad... From what I remember they got a RAP period, AM or PM everyday. Pretty much short call everyday. Could be wrong but that is what I remember.

TOGA LK 11-08-2010 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by ronnie75 (Post 897907)
Had an AA guy in my crashpad... From what I remember they got a RAP period, AM or PM everyday. Pretty much short call everyday. Could be wrong but that is what I remember.

that's a crap deal...

TOGA LK 11-08-2010 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by kamsman (Post 897888)
I'm getting a pop up on Deltanet that tells me I have to complete LMS CQ training prior to Nov 30th. I have tried to access it at home with my Mac and have had no success. Does anyone know if this is a windows program only? Thanks

Download the Firefox browser, works well with the fNWA stuff, even DAL stuff for that matter. I deleted all the old bulletins I had regarding, but the IT department was committed to supporting Apple.

acl65pilot 11-08-2010 08:12 AM

The guys I know from AA deplore their SC and reserve system in general.

Check Essential 11-08-2010 08:34 AM

Heard an idea floated the other day:

They are thinking of making reserve much friendlier and more financially lucrative and much better staffed; but only for the most junior categories in each base. So the changes would essentially help only the M88Bs, A320Bs and DC9Bs , etc. Only the positions where guys have no alternative to reserve.

The logic is that everyone else is on reserve by choice.

If you think it sucks to be a captain on reserve then bid a smaller jet or bid FO. If life is unbearable as a reserve co-pilot on the 777, then bid the 7ER where you could hold a line, etc. etc.

What would you guys think about that concept?

Apparently Delta management is very reluctant to make reserve "commuter friendly" because of the costs and it is going to cost DALPA a lot of our negotiating capital if we want to do it.

Jughead 11-08-2010 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 897954)
What would you guys think about that concept?

I think I'll get grief for saying this, but being new or junior, and having nowhere else to go, is part of the deal in any job. It's been that way since someone got the bright idea to haul people in airplanes for profit.

There are a lot of guys who came before us that "paid their dues" (sorry for the tired cliche') for years sitting sideways on a 727, DC-8, or 1011. Years in those positions. Or some dude bouncing all around the system everytime a base closed/opened or a new jet was introduced or removed.

I hope we don't waste resources and energy persuing this avenue towards our contract restoration efforts.

As always, JMHO, YMMV, et. al. :)

80ktsClamp 11-08-2010 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 897944)
The guys I know from AA deplore their SC and reserve system in general.


That is nearly identical to the WN system as well.

acl65pilot 11-08-2010 09:04 AM

Check, you would have guys bid junior jets and bid reserve if it was lucrative. Might look good on paper, but reserve probably needs to be the same in every category.

Also, not everyone is on reserve by choice. They just got bumped down there and rather than going through another training event and a two year lock and sat tight and toughed it out.

Check Essential 11-08-2010 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 897970)
Check, you would have guys bid junior jets and bid reserve if it was lucrative.

Exactly. I would expect that.
Then the guys who truly didn't want to be on reserve could hold lines.

Ultra long call, a 75 hour guarantee, strictly voluntary short call with 2 hours pay above the guarantee for every short call, stuff like that ---- but only for NYCM88B or MSPM88B or DTW320B, etc.

You'd have plenty of guys bid that. The rest can then be lineholders.
Or reserve by choice on bigger equipment.

That would be more fair and cheaper than trying to make reserve life easier and commutable for wide-body captains.

Check Essential 11-08-2010 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 897970)
Also, not everyone is on reserve by choice. They just got bumped down there and rather than going through another training event and a two year lock and sat tight and toughed it out.

Isn't that their choice?

If you make reserve attractive for the bottom categories then NOBODY would ever be forced to be on reserve.


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