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LeineLodge 11-07-2010 06:58 PM

As usual ACL got there first.

When they call you have a minimum of 10 hours (designated for rest) until SC begins, and 12 hours (again minimum) until they can require you to report.

johnso29 11-07-2010 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 897754)
How about no SC before noon on your first block of reserve days. Nobody likes to commute to SC on their day off, and scheduling loves to give you SC early in the AM on your first day of reserve.

I also think we should get extra credit for SC days and be allowed to bid to sit SC. For every SC day above 4 we should get an extra 2 hours tacked onto guarantee. That way local guys could pick them up and make extra $ and commuters wouldn't have to commute to SC. There are plenty of ways to make our reserve system better and improve the lives of both commuters and local guys.

I like these ideas. Rocky, you used to work at JB. How are their reserve rules? Anything they have that we may want?

newKnow 11-07-2010 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 897786)
I like these ideas. Rocky, you used to work at JB. How are their reserve rules? Anything they have that we may want?

I googled Jet Blue Flight Attendants and was going to post a picture to be funny, but came across pics of Virgin Blue FA's and there is nothing funny about them. (Jet Blue FA's pics totally skipped)

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/...ginBlue001.jpg


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I think the company wanted us to help with a letter writing campaign to support a code share with them. I'm going to get right on it!

G'day Mate! :D

1234 11-08-2010 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 896774)
iaflyer and buzzpat,

Thanks for the replies. Looks like I should bid each group of days on a separate line. Thanks again guys!

Denny

If you bid each group in a separate line, you will want to also use the "All or nothing" command at the end of each line. If you don't do that it won't matter if you put the bid groups in separate Lines or all in the same line.

chuck416 11-08-2010 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 897760)
Hey Chuck,

I'm not exactly sure about your entire question. The only thing that jumps out at me is that, once you finished your S/C at 6pm today, you are on long call. Your obligation is 12 hours on long call. So, I think the earliest they could require you to be on S/C for tomorrow would be 12 hours from when they call you. In other words, if they called you at 7:44PM tonight, the earliest they could require you to be on S/C would be 7:44AM tomorrow.

Hopefully someone else that knows all the fine points can chime in and give you a more compete answer and/or correct anything that I may have gotten wrong.

Edit: See ACL's answer. It is better and more correct than mine.

Hi DAL88Driver,
Thanks for the reply. It looks like I obliged the company 14 minutes. And I'm not complaining about ANY of this. Like I said, I live in base, and would not/won't change anything about my plans today (unless i get called out, of course). I don't mind helping a guy out (OR my company) from time-to-time. But if I'm being taken advantage of, I at least like to know it. It doesn't look like the company was "mis-behaving". And again, it wouldn't much matter if they were. I just like to know where I stand in the matter. Thanks guys, you've answered my questions. Happy flying, all.
Chuck

chuck416 11-08-2010 04:42 AM

It does kinda take the sting out when they ask (tell) so nicely though :p Much better than the fishing expeditions that NWA crew skeds would go on the night before your first day of reserve. I would have to turn my phone off until midnight because they called so often trying to tag me with a trip. Gotta love the southern manners.[/QUOTE]

Man, ain't that the truth. A lot of the schedulers were really nice to talk to. But occasionally, there was this one lady (can't remember her name), and she'd nearly always talk to me like I was her ex-husband or something. No kiddin' there was absolutely no getting along with her. At all. By contrast, the DAL schedulers have been--to a man (or lady)--completely polite, professional, and very helpful. It's always a pleasant conversation. Even when called out and I'd have plans, the conversations I've had w/ DAL crew skds were never anything other than pleasant. Great group. Thanks again for the reply, all.
Chuck

Check Essential 11-08-2010 04:48 AM

De-certified.
 
Decertified.

http://nwaafa.org/docs/election/Dismissal_R-7254.pdf

http://nwaafa.org/docs/election/Camp...k_05Nov10_.pdf

TOGA LK 11-08-2010 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 897769)
The way I understand it is they could put you on SC starting at 0544 (which is 10 hours from when they called.) I've had them ask me to help out, but they are just being polite. You are obligated to accept the SC assignment 10 hours or greater from assignment time.

It does kinda take the sting out when they ask (tell) so nicely though :p Much better than the fishing expeditions that NWA crew skeds would go on the night before your first day of reserve. I would have to turn my phone off until midnight because they called so often trying to tag me with a trip. Gotta love the southern manners.

in contrast though, at NWA a pilot could use his seniority to bid specific RAPs and/or longcall. Here, if you want a late first day RAP you almost have to yellow slip and that will surely guarantee you shortcall in lieu of longcall. preference nothing and you'll more than likey get the o'dark thirty RAP. everything at an airline should be seniority based, the concept of leaving your QOL in the hands of schedulers is a huge concession.

lastly, under the old system you were under no obligation to even answer your phone on a day off or during rest. the 12-hour clock started from midnight base time on your first day of availabilty and after the completion of FAA mandated rest. in a nut shell, your 12-hour clock started only when you were obligated to answer the phone. at delta, the obligation starts when they put something on your line, whether you have acknowledged it or not. nwa could fish around, send you txt msgs, leave voice mails and emails, but if you were on a day off or in rest there was no obligation to answer. with no obligation to answer, the 12 hour clock couldnt be started.

the only benefit I've found in this system is the auto release last day at noon, but from my understanding, that LOA only applies if you are on longcall or on shortcall going into Golden days.

ronnie75 11-08-2010 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 897831)
Hi DAL88Driver,
Thanks for the reply. It looks like I obliged the company 14 minutes. And I'm not complaining about ANY of this. Like I said, I live in base, and would not/won't change anything about my plans today (unless i get called out, of course). I don't mind helping a guy out (OR my company) from time-to-time. But if I'm being taken advantage of, I at least like to know it. It doesn't look like the company was "mis-behaving". And again, it wouldn't much matter if they were. I just like to know where I stand in the matter. Thanks guys, you've answered my questions. Happy flying, all.
Chuck

Chuck,
The most correct answer is that they could have put you on short call at 0544 (attempted contact 1944). 10 hours. 0730 is outside this window. The scheduler was saying "help out" because he was giving such late notice and being polite. I've seen this.

ronnie75 11-08-2010 05:46 AM

TOGA LK,
Did NWA have long call/short call? I thought with the RAPs you had one everyday of reserve (like AA).

edit: oops see in your post that a pilot could bid long call. I didnt' know NWA had that.


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