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Columbia 11-06-2010 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by satchip (Post 897208)
Well FTB and Beer and any other Auburn people out there, LSU just handed you a clear path to the National Championship. I think your chances of winning the Iron Bowl just went up exponentially. Win that and you should be crowned champs.

I'll cheer vigorously for bama but I think this may be your year. Don't screw it up.

Apparently you didn't see TCUs dismantling of Youtah (47-7 away game) or Oregone storming through the Huskies.

Justdoinmyjob 11-06-2010 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 897316)
Because now it's broken. Not my opinion, it's the opinion of upper management as they struggle with procedures to help our current problem of on-time arrivals, fuel overburns, large fuel underburns resulting in carrying too much fuel and not enough payload (emphasis on "pay"), etc.

Our management is struggling to find solutions. Nosmo is offering some up...as is a lot of us former NWA guys. I'm pleased to hear that management might be listening - despite your seeming desire to stay with the way it's always been done.

Carl

I was right with you, right up to the personal barb at the end. Just can't get the message across without adding those in, huh?

I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.

If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.

I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!

TeddyKGB 11-06-2010 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 897335)
I was right with you, right up to the personal barb at the end. Just can't get the message across without adding those in, huh?

I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.

If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.

I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!

You are trying to reason with a guy who thinks that the TSA turns a blind eye when airport employees set off the security alarm and are allowed to just continue on despite setting off the security alarm. The funny/sad part is that he is convinced he is right. Don't bother with this guy as all he does is spouts off nonsense. He might even resort to correcting your spelling if he has nothing valid to counter with.

Carl Spackler 11-06-2010 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 897335)
I was right with you, right up to the personal barb at the end. Just can't get the message across without adding those in, huh?

I'm all for improving things around here. I just tire of the "Your way sucks" tinged comments. Just like I'm sure you are. Neither way sucks, they both worked just fine for each pre merger company. With a new entity however, new ways are needed.

If Nosmo, or anyone, has an idea, then it needs to be addressed to those responsible for creating the mess. That would be management. You know, the former NWA managers you keep warning us about that took over the company.

I guess all I'm saying is that it's the delivery style used here to present ideas. You might want to work on that. And yes, I'll go take a comprehension class now!

Oh for crying out loud Nancy, are you really that tender?

My post on this subject was not tinged with a "your way sucks" tone. You are way too sensitive to be reading that in to it. The guy was slamming Nosmo for bringing up his opinion of the fNWA technology and software. The response was defensive and unresponsive.

I don't think the obvious problems with our current technology has anything to do with the integration. It doesn't work with the same pilots, planes and bases (think ATL) that were here before the integration. Now we have this new AWABS after pushback procedure as a band-aid fix to the larger problem of an overly complex portrayal of performance data. Many fDAL pilots have said the same thing about this new process - even calling it an embarrassment. Why is it that the fDAL guys can speak their minds, but the fNWA are chastised if they try?

I know this will not go anywhere with you because I didn't deliver it in a heart shaped box of candy, but what the heck.

Carl

80ktsClamp 11-06-2010 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 897340)
You are trying to reason with a guy who thinks that the TSA turns a blind eye when airport employees set off the security alarm and are allowed to just continue on despite setting off the security alarm. The funny/sad part is that he is convinced he is right. Don't bother with this guy as all he does is spouts off nonsense. He might even resort to correcting your spelling if he has nothing valid to counter with.


You'll learn to let what Carl says roll off your shoulder around here. He's very opinionated and very senior, but he does have a strong fight in him for scope (small jet and codeshare), so his heart is at least in the rigth place.

Carl Spackler 11-06-2010 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 897340)
You are trying to reason with a guy who thinks that the TSA turns a blind eye when airport employees set off the security alarm and are allowed to just continue on despite setting off the security alarm. The funny/sad part is that he is convinced he is right. Don't bother with this guy as all he does is spouts off nonsense. He might even resort to correcting your spelling if he has nothing valid to counter with.

I only correct spelling in those rare instances where a guy insults me, and does not spell the insulting words correctly. Like you did Einstein. If you were more careful with the spelling of words you use to insult people, maybe you would be observant enough to notice security bypasses.

Carl

johnso29 11-06-2010 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 897234)
I've talked to several in person. The "rumor mill" had lots of stuff, most of it unverifiable BY ME.

You can get sports scores for your passengers by sending an ACARS message to ATL Radio at a specific TTY address (not posting it here). fNW aircraft do NOT have the Scores template built into ACARS.

I have no problem getting sports scores by sending a free text request to a certain TTY address on the A319/320.

80ktsClamp 11-06-2010 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 897341)
Oh for crying out loud Nancy, are you really that tender?

My post on this subject was not tinged with a "your way sucks" tone. You are way too sensitive to be reading that in to it. The guy was slamming Nosmo for bringing up his opinion of the fNWA technology and software. The response was defensive and unresponsive.

I don't think the obvious problems with our current technology has anything to do with the integration. It doesn't work with the same pilots, planes and bases (think ATL) that were here before the integration. Now we have this new AWABS after pushback procedure as a band-aid fix to the larger problem of an overly complex portrayal of performance data. Many fDAL pilots have said the same thing about this new process - even calling it an embarrassment. Why is it that the fDAL guys can speak their minds, but the fNWA are chastised if they try?

I know this will not go anywhere with you because I didn't deliver it in a heart shaped box of candy, but what the heck.

Carl


You missed the boat again. The procedures and systems worked great before the merger at DAL... What you now see is a hodgepodge-thrown-together integration trying to get a quick SOC. Now we're going back behind having to clean up all the sawdust.

Even Dickson fought the new AWABS procedure. It's what happens when senior management desk drivers stick their fingers in flight operations after getting fed up with ACS complaining about not being able to get flights out on time. My impression is that once this fails miserably, then we will be able to do what we really need to do with the procedures. Don't believe they kool-aid that it's working fine in the memos... they know that it is jacked up.

FmrFreightDog 11-06-2010 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 897340)
You are trying to reason with a guy who thinks that the TSA turns a blind eye when airport employees set off the security alarm and are allowed to just continue on despite setting off the security alarm. The funny/sad part is that he is convinced he is right. Don't bother with this guy as all he does is spouts off nonsense. He might even resort to correcting your spelling if he has nothing valid to counter with.

Neither here nor there, but at shift change today I watched the entire security screening line be stopped so 10 or so new screeners could walk through the metal detector to report to work. Every single one of them triggered the alarm. Not one was rescreened in any way.

Just sayin'

Carl Spackler 11-06-2010 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 897348)
You missed the boat again. The procedures and systems worked great before the merger at DAL... What you now see is a hodgepodge-thrown-together integration trying to get a quick SOC. Now we're going back behind having to clean up all the sawdust.

We do? There's not a single thing left of the way we operated at NWA. Not paperwork, manuals, flight plans, performance...nothing. What hodgepodge integration could there be when you don't integrate anything of the other company? The AWABS system that we fNWA guys all learned was the same AWABS system you guys were using before the merger. Our training memos stated that clearly along with telling us how great it works. After the merger, that SAME SYSTEM was so jacked up, that management has gone to this new band-aid to fix the bad on time arrival statistics.

So I'll state it again: If the old AWABS system worked so flawlessly before the merger, why is it broken now even at bases, planes and pilots that were identical before the merger? Could it be that the system was badly flawed before as well as after? That was my point. If I'm still missing the boat, I trust you'll let me know.

Carl


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