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Carl Spackler 10-31-2010 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 893747)
All very valid points, and what do you think the results would be if a weapon were used in flight by one of us? What do you think the ramifications would be? I am guessing a lot worse.

I hate going thought the routine as much as the next guy, the difference is that I can understand that there are reasons to do what they do, and we as pilot do not have a "need to know" in regard to these reasons.

And in every one of those cases, the weapon brought through by accident was detected by the currect technology...not backscanning full body scanners.

Carl

UncleSam 10-31-2010 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 893916)
Question ... why would the schedulers keep you on short call hours after the last aircraft was already airborne out of base. And in a few minutes, all of those flights will have landed at their destination?

Are they worried about someone diverting to the base and might need an extra crew?

Well, the schedulers themselves are not concerned about that at all - it is just policy. There is current discussion about this by the SOT (Scheduling Optimization Team) and maybe with some more input from the reserve pilots, it will be changed at some point. In bases like ATL or MSP where there are real possibilities of repositioning a/c, it makes sense to have an extra crew on call into the night, but at most of the other bases there is no reason for it after the last flights.:o

Jughead 10-31-2010 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 893747)
the difference is that I can understand that there are reasons to do what they do, and we as pilot do not have a "need to know" in regard to these reasons.

Wow. Really? Glad you know all there is to know here, and you can see the big picture so much clearer than the rest of us. I would love to know these reasons and what, exactly the threat might be. I guess as the "inflight security coordinator" :rolleyes:, I'll just turn a blind eye to such information and hope my government knows what's best for me, and will take care of me, and look out for my best interests.

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Scoop 10-31-2010 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 893772)
I think you're right.

The screening process needs to be 100% successful. Airline pilots are not 100% trustworthy to know what we're doing when it comes to preventing weapons from getting through security. That's a painful fact to acknowledge.

We've had an airline pilot negligently discharge his authorized weapon in the cockpit. [public record] We've had pilots go through "crew gates" with weapons. [public record] We've had pilots try to fly drunk, with weapons. [public record]

As a result, I'm not trusted when I approach airport screening checkpoints. That makes me mad. Not at the schlubs groping my sweetbreads behind the curtain when I refuse the bodyscan, but at the jerks who screwed it up so that we can't be trusted. Pogo had it right...




Splash,

I don't understand your logic, Are you, or are you not an airline pilot and a legitimate airline employee? If you are, why are they groping you? Maybe you have a weapon in your shorts?

Newsflash to the TSA - There is a friggin axe in every cockpit!!! Either You can verify who I am via my ID or it just does not matter!!!! The TSA is nothing more than eye candy.

If you really want a trully successful screening program you can not be politically correct. You will have to offend people - other than pilots. So Muslims can keep there head-wraps on for religious reasons, but others will have to remove hats/head covers. So are head wraps/hats a threat or not? If they are a threat, then than all come off - sorry if you are offended. If they are OK for devout Muslims (not a threat) Then they should be OK for everyone.

Bottom line - If our IDs can not prove who we are then we are just pretending to be secure.

Scoop

Carl Spackler 10-31-2010 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 893929)
Splash,

I don't understand your logic, Are you, or are you not an airline pilot and a legitimate airline employee? If you are, why are they groping you? Maybe you have a weapon in your shorts?

Newsflash to the TSA - There is a friggin axe in every cockpit!!! Either You can verify who I am via my ID or it just does not matter!!!! The TSA is nothing more than eye candy.

If you really want a trully successful screening program you can not be politically correct. You will have to offend people - other than pilots. So Muslims can keep there head-wraps on for religious reasons, but others will have to remove hats/head covers. So are head wraps/hats a threat or not? If they are a threat, then than all come off - sorry if you are offended. If they are OK for devout Muslims (not a threat) Then they should be OK for everyone.

Bottom line - If our IDs can not prove who we are then we are just pretending to be secure.

Scoop

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This! +1

Carl

forgot to bid 10-31-2010 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 893909)
Welcome to APC. When I worked in a lab that required the radiation monitors, we would play jokes on other employees by placing their badges ovenight in the actual containers of radiative material. Unfortunately, they state never alerted them to any potential health problems !!!

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/...ernuclear1.jpg

Wingnutdal 10-31-2010 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 893467)
Domestic reserve on the 88 and I guess Airbus and 9 can make you do funny things...

http://atomicgator.files.wordpress.c...simpson-41.jpg

but on short call we're a little more ready:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BX2aSG8RqE...+Underwear.png

I think this might be the funniest thing you've posted. Absolutely killing me. Looks like me till noon most days.

forgot to bid 10-31-2010 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 893929)
Splash,

I don't understand your logic, Are you, or are you not an airline pilot and a legitimate airline employee? If you are, why are they groping you? Maybe you have a weapon in your shorts?

Newsflash to the TSA - There is a friggin axe in every cockpit!!! Either You can verify who I am via my ID or it just does not matter!!!! The TSA is nothing more than eye candy.

If you really want a trully successful screening program you can not be politically correct. You will have to offend people - other than pilots. So Muslims can keep there head-wraps on for religious reasons, but others will have to remove hats/head covers. So are head wraps/hats a threat or not? If they are a threat, then than all come off - sorry if you are offended. If they are OK for devout Muslims (not a threat) Then they should be OK for everyone.

Bottom line - If our IDs can not prove who we are then we are just pretending to be secure.

Scoop


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 893908)
Hence why CrewPass needs to be here now. For those of us operating the plane or going to operate it, security screening is pointless and a waste of time.

I totally agree but at the same time I wonder about every pilot out there.

I'm all for crewpass on a day to day basis, however, if they said they reserve the right for random checks I'd be understanding. Maybe annoyed if I have to do it, but understanding. Sort of like how I've never touched alcohol in my life but if someone wants me to do a breathalizer test, annoyed but so be it. But I shouldn't have to do one every day or even monthly.

BTW, what have they done for securing the gaping hole that is general aviation, especially their large jets?

forgot to bid 10-31-2010 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Wingnutdal (Post 893937)
I think this might be the funniest thing you've posted. Absolutely killing me. Looks like me till noon most days.

I know, it fits so well. I just image.google.com and put in Homer in his underwear and well, it all just seems to apply to reserve pilots. :D

acl65pilot 10-31-2010 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Jughead (Post 893926)
Wow. Really? Glad you know all there is to know here, and you can see the big picture so much clearer than the rest of us. I would love to know these reasons and what, exactly the threat might be. I guess as the "inflight security coordinator" :rolleyes:, I'll just turn a blind eye to such information and hope my government knows what's best for me, and will take care of me, and look out for my best interests.

Move along. Nothing to see here.


The point is that as the CSG you should be able to have the assumption that your aircraft, crew, passengers and cargo are secure. This is what the TSA guy I know told me. Part of an ongoing discussion on screening all of us I guess. The premise is that if everyone and everything has been screened, then it is safe to assume we are all working with the same level of assumption for our security.


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