Uh... heretical statements by Buzz makes me think it's time for the apcf version of the Spanish Inquisition.

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Check your PM btw Buzz. :D

It is applied to OCC. We have a dual center than can be full staffed within a few hrs and on a separate network if need be.

What the "Reroute" issue is, is that all parings need to be manually looked at and rebuilt. Some have suggested bringing others in to help out in an IROP, but the fact is that unless they are intermediately familiar, they will be more of a hindrance. What needs to be done, and something that they have stated, is more automation of some of the systems and processes.

As for the deice thing, drainage and storage of the glycol runoff is a HUGE deal. Add the DOT-3 and it is going to be a mess no matter how you cut it. If only we could the technology to flex most of the flying (aircraft and crews) to other hubs when one gets shut done like ATL or JFK. CVG would be a great place to do it with a ton of extra room.

Hey FTB, got your one yesterday. I was flying a brutal day. TPA-ATL-GDL-LAX. Would have been a lot more fun in the 'Lifter. ;)

Copy on the OCC, but in my previous posts I'm pointing to bigger issues than just this snow related IROP.

We continue to shove more and more of the company's operation through Mecca so we end up being more and more dependent on good conditions in ATL. If we started to diversify a bit more to say DFW, CVG or somewhere else maybe we reroute more passengers.

Sailing, I'm really happy to hear that the passengers were better treated on this IROP. They are the Golden Goose and as long as they're being treated well, we can expect to stay employed.


I recognize that we shouldn't get ATL ready to handle a snow event like this, doesn't make fiscal sense. The bigger point is its time for the company to start spending some more money on staffing behind the scenes as well as VASTLY improving the IT functions across multiple departments.

One more thing, does it seem odd that the company is coming to the pilots to keep the operation on track. Based on the PWA, it seems we just fly airplanes. Anything more would smack of management and we seem to be treated and expected to be "just labor".

For the young guns, FTB and 80 included, here's a tribute to two greats....Johnny Cash and the Starlifter. Someday there'll be a similar youtube video for the Mad Dog.;)

YouTube - C141 End Of The Line

That is traditional Delta, and something that may strike our North types as odd... it traditionally was a very much gentleman's operation where everyone kind of looked out for everyone. It was rare to hear someone say "that's not my job," or something of the sort... kind of like the north FA's aren't allowed to touch the door. Stuff like that just made me scratch my head.

Considering how much more we do above and beyond the PWA frequently makes even more of a case for better compensation and treatment in the coming negotiations.

As far as bringing more stuff into Mecca... I'm not really seeing that. Perhaps bringing back some of what was taken from Mecca? Those of us based in ATL have seen nothing but a backslide since the merger as a massive amount of hours were removed from ATL pilots and flown by those in other bases- particularly the north fleets that have not seeing an equipment position open up in ATL.

As far as what to do in an IROP, what would be fantastic to see would be to have an intelligent enough computer system to reroute flights/crews through other bases. For example, snowpocolypse 2012 hits and actual flights are rerouted through CVG, MEM, DTW in between pushes/during downtimes. You'd lose some of the O&D traffic, but they are snowed in anyways.... what you salvage is a large chunk of the operation though and don't blow money out the backside while maintaining passenger schedule integrity.

Yes, Buzz I did. Multiple FCR's!

Yet another complaint from WP...

I'm not a windows guy. I have an iMac and there is a fairly sizable number pf pilots who are also Apple users. I'm also fairly inept with computers; one (of many) reasons why I have an iMac...

Why can't the company provide a disc that runs on both?

Yes, I know I can spend my money to purchase "windows for mac" or something, but I shouldn't have to.

Did you file it correctly,
OC-1, 4th floor men's room stall #3 behind the toilet.

Unless you file them correctly they will never get the job done.

This APC app is quite cool!