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Old 01-20-2011 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I'll try that on my travel laptop, I wouldn't put it past Joe Momma to look at my surfing history on my office puter
oh its not that bad. just more of a surprise that leads to a "now how can I use that" moment. Then Buzz starts talking about C141s and there's your opening.

Old 01-20-2011 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Can you post a link to those documents.
The quickest, easiest, way for you to begin your review is to begin with the NWA Zip Lines. Chairman Mark McClain in his publication dated 18 October 2004 provided a synopsis of their tentative agreement which was designed to allow Northwest (now Delta) to achieve "safe harbor" by avoiding bankruptcy. This publication illustrates the pattern that was established and repeated in concessionary bargaining until our Companies emerged from bankruptcy and merged.

Here is a thumbnail. Northwest was seeking cost savings and the savings were negotiated and allocated as follows:
  • Pay Reductions $161 million
  • Sick leave $3.8 million
  • Medical / Dental Insurance co pays $9.2 million
  • Allowing the company to roll down balance sheet charges on pension funding (not a pension change an accounting change) $72 million
  • Scope - $15 million ... in this paragraph the Northwest MEC takes credit for being the first to receive dollar credits for such a provision.
Unfortunately Northwest Airlines did not avoid bankruptcy on the basis of these pilot concessions and what was intended to be an off property 70 seat operation staffed by Northwest pilots became Compass and now has been flipped to Trans States. That is the story on the E175's.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
As far as a judge invalidating scope its never really been a issue so of course no judge has ruled on it. If you go back and read the court transcripts if they are still available you will see the judge seemed to have no question in his mind it was within his authority.
I see where you are coming from. Judges have broad authority and talk tough when trying to compel parties to reach an agreement. Judges also get overturned on appeal. ALPA's history at the Courthouse is unfortunately abysmal ... a symptom of lawyers who practice politics more than law. I am in no position to gauge how serious our Reps felt the threat was.

We agree that an agreement was reached by mutual consent. That is the factual history. The results speak for themselves and what gets stated at a public hearing and what happens behind closed doors are entirely different. Depositions, past practice and ALPA publications descriptive of the process used during concessionary bargaining seem clear to me.

PM sent with regard to the Delta negotiations. No need for collateral damage over something that happened years ago... and to my F-NWA friends, my apologies for airing your dirty laundry while keeping mine tucked away.

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Old 01-20-2011 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Let me correct this for you sailing.

There are however pilots on here who can't post a single good thing about DALPA/ALPA.

By the way, why is it that sailing and slow and scambo and the other ALPA insiders always disappear whenever the words "Flight Pay Loss released to constituents in written format" are mentioned.
...and where is Nosmo King when there is work to be done for his fellow pilots? Hiding behind his mommy's skirts.
Old 01-20-2011 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Just curious, How did NW's cost structure in PHX and LAS compare to SWA at the time? Could that perhaps have had something to do with losing those hubs?
.... speaking of those who are ignorant of history...
Old 01-20-2011 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
oh its not that bad. just more of a surprise that leads to a "now how can I use that" moment. Then Buzz starts talking about C141s and there's your opening.

There I was...sitting Bravo alert in Frankfurt, Germany. I'd been to Sachsenhausen the night before so I'd filled my quotient of beers and brats, and the obligatory Doner Kabab at midnight. Standing by in the hotel at Rhein Main waiting for my phone to ring and to spring to answer democracy's call and leap my C-141 into the skies...and then I met FTB and 80. Seems my past life was, now, not so full...I have met my match and I am teamed with fellow warriors at least as able as I. Ahh, but the elders shall instruct their young...nay, nay, the young shall teach their elders.

Prost my lads!
Old 01-20-2011 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Glad everyone is safe. Good job by the crew.
Good Job? Where does...and what does a fly by of the tower accomplish? has he done this in the sim? Does the tower know what they are looking at? Stupid move IMHO
Old 01-20-2011 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
Good Job? Where does...and what does a fly by of the tower accomplish? has he done this in the sim? Does the tower know what they are looking at? Stupid move IMHO
Have to laugh a little about that one, makes me think about Maverick. Maybe he had been waiting a long time to buzz a tower and here he had his chance! Maverick the later years.

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Old 01-20-2011 | 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
oh its not that bad. just more of a surprise that leads to a "now how can I use that" moment. Then Buzz starts talking about C141s and there's your opening.

You guys are masters of photo shop I think. Keeps me entertained though.
Old 01-20-2011 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
There I was...sitting Bravo alert in Frankfurt, Germany. I'd been to Sachsenhausen the night before so I'd filled my quotient of beers and brats, and the obligatory Doner Kabab at midnight. Standing by in the hotel at Rhein Main waiting for my phone to ring and to spring to answer democracy's call and leap my C-141 into the skies...and then I met FTB and 80. Seems my past life was, now, not so full...I have met my match and I am teamed with fellow warriors at least as able as I. Ahh, but the elders shall instruct their young...nay, nay, the young shall teach their elders.

Prost my lads!

Hey Buzz, you ever think about writing a book?
Old 01-20-2011 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
There I was...sitting Bravo alert in Frankfurt, Germany. I'd been to Sachsenhausen the night before so I'd filled my quotient of beers and brats
24 hours after Buzz had his fill of beer and brats, he saved Uncle Sam $$$ on several buckets of flares

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