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Originally Posted by firstmob
(Post 952813)
Just like I said the DOT is dragging this out to prolong the lawsuit. IMHO this deal is dead as a door knob.
The only reason I would give this deal some % of success is that whoever might merge with/purchase all or part of LCC might be too big, and this might be the best way to create a controlled divestiture at LGA. |
Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 953016)
I guess this is a question of whether you're happy simply to read the policy, or whether you think the preamble has a bearing on potential abuses in the future.
Maybe we should tell that to our customers. Hey Mr. Million Miler Unobtanium Medallion level HVC, we got your complaint letter about your cancellations and just thought you should know that it was really your fault you didn't make that important meetings for your little million dollar deals or whatever, because had you done your homework properly you would have known that we don't offer reliable service on that particular flight, nor do we intend to. It is a "chronic canceller" so next time pick a better flight, um kay? If you carefully read your contract of carriage in ultra fine print administrative English you would see that this is technically your fault, so nah nanny nah nah and get it right next time or take your business elsewhere. Would we say that? Or is the employee < the customer? Because we have a new competitor coming to town that has rejected that old line mentality and they have been quite successful in their labor relations and whatnot. Then again its not like we'll be in negotiations anytime soon, oh wait. Again, good policy but spoiled with a POS preamble and supporting "chatter" to the rank and file. Sad too, because it would be such an easy and free fix. Oh well. |
Originally Posted by upndsky
(Post 953015)
To expand on what Uncle Sam wrote.
The 2 a.m. thing is basically the deadline for you to acknowledge an assignment they may have given you. If you haven't by that time and depending on why you're supposed to report, they'll start calling you. The 3 p.m. (base time) deadline is the cutoff where scheduling can put something on your schedule for the next day that can report as early as 5 or 6 a.m. (can't remember which). If you have nothing on your schedule after 3 p.m. on your last X day, you just begin long call at midnight, which means you're on a 12-hour leash so the earliest trip they can give you is one with a report of 12:01 p.m. However, there are a few exceptions: 1. They only need to give 10 hours notice for short call, so after 3 p.m., they could assign you a 10 a.m. short call. 2. If you lower your RAW score, you're actually submitting a yellow slip, although it doesn't specifically or clearly say that. This, in effect, voids the 3 p.m. cutoff. So, scheduling could assign you a trip at 5:55 p.m. on you last X day that signs in at 6:00 a.m. the next morning and you'd be responsible for that. If you hadn't lowered your RAW score, then they couldn't have done that. If you're a commuter, this can obviously bite you. A lot of new hires have gotten stung by that, including yours truly. Fortunately, the schedulers have been understanding with new guys because it is so confusing and in my case (and others) gave me a pass. But just be aware that lowering your RAW score does much more than that. It puts you in a different set of rules with which they can assign you. Having come from another airline, I have found the schedulers here to be very accommodating and understanding - within reason, of course. Unless they're swamped, they have been more than willing to spend time answering a lot of these questions. Don't be afraid to call them and ask, especially if you're new. |
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
(Post 952911)
I think you guys are missing the point. It's not how many times you use the policy it's how many times you use it with a bad excuse. Have two good flights that fill up because of an early morning cancellation, you're ok. Try to get two oversold flights the day before Thanksgiving, not so much. Prudent planning means use common sense, that's all.
Last week I ranted after reading the verbiage associated with the new policy. I'm still steamed about it. Here's why: A big part of the success of the DAL-NWA merger is due to the cooperation of the pilots. One need only look at the debacle called USAir to see how smoothly our merger went. Similarly, the United-Continental is shaping up to be "ugly". Last year DAL reported a net profit of 1.4 Billion dollars in a terrible economy... Delta pilots are still working for bankruptcy wages despite the record profits. We are frequently "thanked" for our contributions by Steve Dickson, and recently in another memo summarizing the post-merger changes we've been through. But in light of JG's memo it certainly appears that Flight Operations' professed "thanks" is nothing more than hollow words. This was an opportunity to show some appreciation and they failed... miserably. I don't know JG personally, but I am very underwhelmed by his leadership/management skills. |
Originally Posted by DogWhisperer
(Post 952585)
Heard we are going to get their terminal in June...no matter what outcome there is with the slots....they really want out of that terminal.
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If you are awarded a new base, say Nyc73 to Atl73, how soon after AE is awarded can you expect flying out of new base? Thanks in advance
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Anybody else having problems with Deltanet?
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Originally Posted by Raging white
(Post 953072)
If you are awarded a new base, say Nyc73 to Atl73, how soon after AE is awarded can you expect flying out of new base? Thanks in advance
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It is down but most of the functions are available (according to the help screen I got).
Better than nothing. |
Originally Posted by upndsky
(Post 953015)
To expand on what Uncle Sam wrote.
The 2 a.m. thing is basically the deadline for you to acknowledge an assignment they may have given you. If you haven't by that time and depending on why you're supposed to report, they'll start calling you. The 3 p.m. (base time) deadline is the cutoff where scheduling can put something on your schedule for the next day that can report as early as 5 or 6 a.m. (can't remember which). If you have nothing on your schedule after 3 p.m. on your last X day, you just begin long call at midnight, which means you're on a 12-hour leash so the earliest trip they can give you is one with a report of 12:01 p.m. However, there are a few exceptions: 1. They only need to give 10 hours notice for short call, so after 3 p.m., they could assign you a 10 a.m. short call. 2. If you lower your RAW score, you're actually submitting a yellow slip, although it doesn't specifically or clearly say that. This, in effect, voids the 3 p.m. cutoff. So, scheduling could assign you a trip at 5:55 p.m. on you last X day that signs in at 6:00 a.m. the next morning and you'd be responsible for that. If you hadn't lowered your RAW score, then they couldn't have done that. If you're a commuter, this can obviously bite you. A lot of new hires have gotten stung by that, including yours truly. Fortunately, the schedulers have been understanding with new guys because it is so confusing and in my case (and others) gave me a pass. But just be aware that lowering your RAW score does much more than that. It puts you in a different set of rules with which they can assign you. Having come from another airline, I have found the schedulers here to be very accommodating and understanding - within reason, of course. Unless they're swamped, they have been more than willing to spend time answering a lot of these questions. Don't be afraid to call them and ask, especially if you're new. Just to build on what upndsky said about YS flying. Even if scheduling assigns the trip after 1500 you only have to accept it if you have received 12+ hours of notice. If they say they have a YS trip for you and report is LESS then 12 hours from notification YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT THE TRIP. It is a PROFFER, & is not your repsponsibility if you don't want it. |
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