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Old 02-27-2011 | 12:51 PM
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I've always wondered why we board BC 1st. It makes more sense to board from rear, less standing around. If I was a business man I would want to sit in the gate area with full connectivity vs sitting in the airplane while the people walk by bumping my elbow.
Old 02-27-2011 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas ACL,

We DO all hope that they get their single carrier status. What WAS in the contract is not really relevant.

In any event, a SC determination may or may not produce a problem for DAL with regards to section 1.

1) First we need the ALPA types to determine whether or not such a entity DOES violate section 1.

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What ACL was trying to state is that this has already been done and that contractual language which would have applied was removed during concessionary negotiations.

This language was removed for two reasons:
(1) To increase competition among DCI carriers
  • Increased competition resulted in lower costs among DCI carriers
  • Savings from reduced feeder costs would result in more money for mainline bargaining
  • Increased "bargaining credits" to be used to offset concessionary negotiations
Unintended results
  • Since pilot costs are a controllable variable expense management attacked pilot wages and longevity at regional carriers
  • Comair 5191 and Colgan 3407 had circumstances indicating career stresses were a contributing factor in both losses
  • Regional losses were underwritten on Delta's ledger
  • Expanded outsourced flying has resulted in fines from the DOT, lowered customer service rankings and spill over to competitors
  • The hoped for reductions in expense never materialized and the negotiated offsets disappeared in subsequent concessionary bargaining
(2) Reduce restrictions on ownership which might help facilitate the sale of wholly owned airlines
This was effective in making ASA, Comair and later Mesaba, Colgan and Compass marketable. SkyWest, Trans States and Republic all have aircraft on order (or in operation) which would have violated job protection provisions contained in our earlier pilot working agreements.
Just a reminder, Air Canada Jazz operates this ...



Not shabby for a "regional airline pilot" operation which was drawn outside mainline scope provisions ... .

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Old 02-27-2011 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The iPad is going to have to fix the very big problem of screen glare. At altitude during the day, the screen is all but unreadable due to glare.

Carl
And you know this... how?
Old 02-27-2011 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
I've always wondered why we board BC 1st. It makes more sense to board from rear, less standing around. If I was a business man I would want to sit in the gate area with full connectivity vs sitting in the airplane while the people walk by bumping my elbow.
Can't have that Jack and Coke in the gate area...


..... well, the free one anyway...
Old 02-27-2011 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
I've always wondered why we board BC 1st. It makes more sense to board from rear, less standing around. If I was a business man I would want to sit in the gate area with full connectivity vs sitting in the airplane while the people walk by bumping my elbow.
The problem with that is many in the way back would simply drop their carry-on mattress and lamp in the F overhead. Also, many like to get settled in, have their drink, and make a last minute phone call or send a last minute email. Most are fine with their smart phone connectivity.
Besides, they can still board at last call, however, they all seem to want to get on first.
Old 02-27-2011 | 01:16 PM
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Dalpa forum heating up...something about asking for mid contract parity to SWA until negotiations begin in 22 months.....guess what position dalpa is taking?
Old 02-27-2011 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And you know this... how?
Some DeltaS guys told him.
Old 02-27-2011 | 01:20 PM
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Besides, there is some pleasure in smugly sitting, sipping your drink from a glass, while watching the Wall Mart crowd shuffle by.

For the airline, there is the potential up sell.

Not that I'm disrespecting Wall Mart shoppers. I bought a shirt from Good Will the other day.
Old 02-27-2011 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
Dalpa forum heating up...something about asking for mid contract parity to SWA until negotiations begin in 22 months.....guess what position dalpa is taking?
I LUV Southwest's scope section:
A. SCOPE
This Agreement is made and entered into between Southwest Airlines Co. (hereinafter known as the "Company") and the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association (hereinafter known as the "Association"). This Agreement covers all revenue and miscellaneous flying, performed with aircraft owned or leased by the Company, or which displays Company markings, including all flying in and for the service of the Company and its affiliates. All flying covered by this Agreement shall be performed by pilots whose names appear on the Southwest Airlines Master Pilot Seniority List, except as otherwise provided for in this Agreement.

The purpose of this Agreement, in the mutual interest of the Company and the Association, is to provide for the operation of the Company under methods which will further, to the fullest extent possible, the safety of air transportation, the efficiency of operation and the continuation of employment of all pilots under safe and reasonable working conditions and proper compensation. It is recognized to be the duty of the Company, the Association and the employees to cooperate fully, reasonably, and in good faith for the attainment of these purposes.

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Old 02-27-2011 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I LUV Southwest's scope section:
This! I want this!
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