Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-09-2011 | 07:15 AM
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From: Kickin’ Back
a lot of folks post from their smartphones...those little keyboards are annoying, just like grammar cops, and The Guard Police!
If you fly with someone who "proudly" scolds someone on guard...plz do us all a favor. Form a letter "L" with your thumb and pointer finger, put that "L" on your forehead, and finally turn to the proud guard cop you are flying with long enough for him/her to see it. Probably wouldn't even know he/she is being hazed!
I guess it could work for the grammar cops too...?
If you fly with someone who "proudly" scolds someone on guard...plz do us all a favor. Form a letter "L" with your thumb and pointer finger, put that "L" on your forehead, and finally turn to the proud guard cop you are flying with long enough for him/her to see it. Probably wouldn't even know he/she is being hazed!
I guess it could work for the grammar cops too...?
Sorry but I don't think a little keyboard is the reason someone uses hire instead of higher.
Denny
edit: no FTB it was not you!!
03-09-2011 | 07:19 AM
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Oh, BTW.. Discovery lands in about 30 minutes... if you are in the MCO area, listen for the double sonic booms... Landing south on 15 at KSC
If you want to follow the progress online go here
03-09-2011 | 07:31 AM
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I suppose the ultimate exploits of the Guard Police occur when a crew actually uses guard for legitimate purposes, to be immediately swarmed by irate members of the same GP's that have been zealously keeping the frequency clear for legitimate purposes.
You're not a real tool-bag, however, until you graduate to the Common Police, where you can move beyond keeping the frequency open, and actually start editing for content. There, you can cleanse the airwaves of conversation about every sport but your personal favorite, and you set your own time limits on other people's conversations. Doesn't matter that the weather is perfect, and the frequency's been clear for an hour: you're ready to key the mike on the second syllable if someone else keys up to say "Hi Bill". And of course, there are the stupid farners. God forbid two Lufthansa pilots would elect to discuss turbulence in (eeeew) "German", and you're all over it, before they can even finish saying "Alloooh".
Here's to you, Mr. Guard and Common Police Guy...
[music plays] Real Men of Genius...
Mr. Guard and Common Police Guy...
You're not a real tool-bag, however, until you graduate to the Common Police, where you can move beyond keeping the frequency open, and actually start editing for content. There, you can cleanse the airwaves of conversation about every sport but your personal favorite, and you set your own time limits on other people's conversations. Doesn't matter that the weather is perfect, and the frequency's been clear for an hour: you're ready to key the mike on the second syllable if someone else keys up to say "Hi Bill". And of course, there are the stupid farners. God forbid two Lufthansa pilots would elect to discuss turbulence in (eeeew) "German", and you're all over it, before they can even finish saying "Alloooh".
Here's to you, Mr. Guard and Common Police Guy...
[music plays] Real Men of Genius...
Mr. Guard and Common Police Guy...
03-09-2011 | 07:34 AM
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Dash, complex question actually because there are several ways to look at it.
Are we talking about scope, regional jets or fee for departure? What you're asking in essence is why would a former RJ pilot at Delta feel like they have the right to pull up the ladder behind them? Or maybe why is said pilot being so hypocritical?
fwiw, I was hired at Coex when the props still outnumbered the jets but the jet onslaught was coming. In fact, new hires straight to the jet was a sore subject for a lot of line pilots. Even worse, a lot of line pilots were ****ed that new hires weren't paying $10K for training, got per diem while in training and their hotel paid for. But that attitude invokes a different discussion.
The most concise way I can say this is- regional airlines have always sucked. But they were a means to TPIC time and a mainline job. Post RJ, they got an upgrade in equipment but most still sucked.
Not to rehash, but as soon as 9/11 happened the RJs that were being eyed as possible mainline replacement jets became full fledged replacement jets and operations. What was once a means to an end went from a hopefully short visit to a slit your wrist prolonged stay. And for those prone to Stockholm syndrome, a career.
Now if RJs had never been invented, every civil Delta guy you see here would've still gone that route. We'd flown "regional" legs and done so in ATRs, Saabs and Embraers. Pay for departure wouldn't even muster a discussion given we'd had a smaller fleet and we'd burned less fuel than any other option out there.
So it's not accurate to say a RJ guy now turned Delta pilot is being hypocritical about the RJs. Was it fun to fly at 370 in a nice little jet? Absolutely. Looking back, wish it never happened.
We all knew that while RJ growth meant possible upgrade it really meant fewer jobs at mainline anyways so that upgrade was all for naught. I wish I had been relegated to flying an ATR 42-320 out of EWR up and down the Hudson to Albany instead of flying an ERJ-145XR nonstop from EWR to MSP and Nebraska. I wish instead of a fleet of 600+ jets at DCI it was 200 props and that all of the remainder of that flying was at Delta on Delta jets flown by Delta pilots with the Delta PWA and that we'd been hiring since 03 nonstop instead of what has happened.
It's not that a former RJ pilot wants to pull up the ladder but rather that former RJ pilots, who mind you were willing to take the risk and move to a major, are trying to ensure regional pilots can get off that boat and on to this ship.
Because for the first time we have the opportunity to vote and talk to the powers that be about the one thing, the only thing, that matters most- scope.
There's not a thing an RJ pilot can do about mainline scope. It's our responsibility here and so don't look at it as being hypocritical but about more voices being added to the mainline ranks that want this trend reversed.
Are we talking about scope, regional jets or fee for departure? What you're asking in essence is why would a former RJ pilot at Delta feel like they have the right to pull up the ladder behind them? Or maybe why is said pilot being so hypocritical?
fwiw, I was hired at Coex when the props still outnumbered the jets but the jet onslaught was coming. In fact, new hires straight to the jet was a sore subject for a lot of line pilots. Even worse, a lot of line pilots were ****ed that new hires weren't paying $10K for training, got per diem while in training and their hotel paid for. But that attitude invokes a different discussion.
The most concise way I can say this is- regional airlines have always sucked. But they were a means to TPIC time and a mainline job. Post RJ, they got an upgrade in equipment but most still sucked.
Not to rehash, but as soon as 9/11 happened the RJs that were being eyed as possible mainline replacement jets became full fledged replacement jets and operations. What was once a means to an end went from a hopefully short visit to a slit your wrist prolonged stay. And for those prone to Stockholm syndrome, a career.
Now if RJs had never been invented, every civil Delta guy you see here would've still gone that route. We'd flown "regional" legs and done so in ATRs, Saabs and Embraers. Pay for departure wouldn't even muster a discussion given we'd had a smaller fleet and we'd burned less fuel than any other option out there.
So it's not accurate to say a RJ guy now turned Delta pilot is being hypocritical about the RJs. Was it fun to fly at 370 in a nice little jet? Absolutely. Looking back, wish it never happened.
We all knew that while RJ growth meant possible upgrade it really meant fewer jobs at mainline anyways so that upgrade was all for naught. I wish I had been relegated to flying an ATR 42-320 out of EWR up and down the Hudson to Albany instead of flying an ERJ-145XR nonstop from EWR to MSP and Nebraska. I wish instead of a fleet of 600+ jets at DCI it was 200 props and that all of the remainder of that flying was at Delta on Delta jets flown by Delta pilots with the Delta PWA and that we'd been hiring since 03 nonstop instead of what has happened.
It's not that a former RJ pilot wants to pull up the ladder but rather that former RJ pilots, who mind you were willing to take the risk and move to a major, are trying to ensure regional pilots can get off that boat and on to this ship.
Because for the first time we have the opportunity to vote and talk to the powers that be about the one thing, the only thing, that matters most- scope.
There's not a thing an RJ pilot can do about mainline scope. It's our responsibility here and so don't look at it as being hypocritical but about more voices being added to the mainline ranks that want this trend reversed.
I did not become a RJ pilot until Delta stopped hiring. It has nothing to do with the RJ pilots (expect the flew that want more outsourcing) and has everything to do with having more flying performed by the mainline pilot group. Period. Ya know restore the natural progression that worked for many decades.
03-09-2011 | 07:45 AM
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03-09-2011 | 07:48 AM
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Yes I've used both. Atomic seems to work better on the iPad. Journey has some errors on the headers in icrew. Atomic has a bug that confuses letters with function keys but if you shift to make caps it works.
03-09-2011 | 07:54 AM
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Atomic has autofill--I don't know if journey does. That sold it for me. I can't type on that mini keyboard.
03-09-2011 | 08:02 AM
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Well I would hope you would leave one... That one's a tough colloquialism..
Oh, BTW.. Discovery lands in about 30 minutes... if you are in the MCO area, listen for the double sonic booms... Landing south on 15 at KSC
If you want to follow the progress online go here
Oh, BTW.. Discovery lands in about 30 minutes... if you are in the MCO area, listen for the double sonic booms... Landing south on 15 at KSC
If you want to follow the progress online go here
03-09-2011 | 08:07 AM
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Discovery has landed...
03-09-2011 | 08:18 AM
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