Originally Posted by gloopy

Who does or who used to? Who does or who would/could? If we have to capacity dump on their tiny niche network to feed our global powerhouse, so be it. We can bleed on that tiny percentage of our network a lot longer than they can.

Originally Posted by Fly4hire

Alpha,

Yes, and we all know doctors and lawyers can be hazardous in airplanes, and your point is well taken, however lawyers are also notoriously cautious. We could easily be too timid, or not pursue something where it was the right thing to do because of a lawyers advice of the possibility that it might not go our way. The company and their lawyers are more aggressive and capitalize on our willingness to settle rather than risk any possibility of defeat.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Also, who determines whether or not something actually violates the PWA and whether it is worth pursuing or not?

Originally Posted by RockyBoy

My father-in-law is a directional drilling engineer and was working for a company about three years ago that was costing the shale oil that is very abundant in the U.S. With the technology they had then, it was going to cost them $110/bbl to extract the oil and the costs would go down over time as the technology improved. They anticipated they could get the costs down to under $80/bbl but it would take a few years of "working the process out".

There are two ways to get shale oil out both of which are very environmentally invasive and probably would not fly in the U.S. unless the world is going to end. You either strip mine the shale and cook it out like they do the oil sand in Canada or you pump a high pressure water/chemical solution into the ground that fractures the shale, seperates the oil, pump the solution back up, and refine the oil out. You can't simply drill a well and pump it out.....we've gotten all that oil out that can be found in the U.S.

I don't think we are "saving" it, it just isn't cost effective to get it out yet or the big oil guys would have already done it. Now ANWAR and sub-sea oil off the coasts is a different story......that we can get if the politicians and environmentalists would let us.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy

The ALPA guys in Contract Administration are responsible for determining whether a violation occurs. To do that, they gather the facts of what occurred, and if needed, consult with those individuals who actually negotiated the language, to determine whether that language was violated.

Originally Posted by acl65pilot

You can throw it all you want, but who else feeds our SEA, LAX and PDX operation?

Originally Posted by buzzpat

Ought to be us....just saying. And if those routes are thin, I'm not seeing it.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Let's see, we spent over a million dollars on the force majeure grievance after 9/11. When we lost the first round we went back and were able to get a recall started. We won the force majeure II grievance outright, guys got full back pay and were put back on active status. In the three years before the merger we got at least 30 million in settlements or grievance awards. Maybe you forgot that $1,000 you got as part of the manning grievance, that was just one award which exceeded $7 million.

I guess I could also mention the $2,000,000,000 that we got in bankruptcy returns due to us fighting them vigorously for 8 months. Need anymore, or is that enough?

Originally Posted by newKnow

"Ought to be us...." Humm. I have been saying that a lot when it comes to Alaska...

From Quicktake:

• 35 flights per week from the SF area and Sacramento to Hawaii (Ought to be us....)
• 15 new aircraft: 13 737-900ERs and 2 new 737-800s for delivery 2012-2014 (Ought to be us....)
• Firm orders for 26 new aircraft over the next four years (Ought to be us....)
• PDX-HNL daily (Ought to be us. I was, wasn't it?)
• SEA-STL daily (Ok. They can have that one.)
• SAN-OGG daily (Ought to be us...)
• SAN-PVR seasonal (Ought to be us....)
• PDX-KOA seasonal (Ought to be us....)
• SEA-KOA seasonal (Ought to be us. It was, wasn't it?)

"Ought to be us....."

Can we make that into a sticker?

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver

Reporter: DALPA, you just won the force majeure II grievance, manning grievance, and negotiated a claim and note in exchange for massive concessions of exponentially greater value than the grievance settlements, claim, and note. And you got those bankruptcy/emergency rates locked in for an extra two years (with cost of living increases) to facilitate the merger. What are you going to do next?

DALPA: We're going to Disney World! Yeehaw!!!