I'm so disappointed you didn't make captions to this :p I'm trying to figure out if they are talking about politics or Jersey Shore. Or maybe they are just talking about how bad the Rebecca Black video is?

I know. I wish the hell people would stop cloning me.

Carl

The other one is a no imagination flamebaiting troll. Don't feed the trolls.

Scary isn't it?

Pretty cool. I think it needs more tires though.

Carl

Although ALPA will never admit it, this meet and confer thing is potentially a problem.
The settlement agreement goes on for 2 pages about the required changes to ALPA's policy regarding scope negotiations. We have to meet, confer, consult, submit proposals, report to the new scope committee at National, confer some more, try to reach consensus, submit statements of agreement or disagreement, comply with "scope reporting benchmarks" established by the new committee, etc. etc. on and on.

The good news is that none of that explicitly gives the RJ MECs any binding power over our negotiating committee. In theory. The bad news is that the judge approved the settlement and retained jurisdiction over the parties to police the terms of the settlement. We are wide open to lawsuits claiming we have acted in bad faith in negotiating scope without adequately "conferring, consulting, involving " or whatever, the RJ pilots.
ALPA can keep whistling and say that "meet and confer" is meaningless but federal judges generally don't like to see 2 pages of their approved settlements rendered meaningless.

There's a risk. Its pretty small, but its there.

I would like to post the Ford/Cooksey settlement agreement but the copy I have is a PDF of a photocopy. How do I post that or cut and paste from it? If anyone cares and knows how to do it, PM me your e-mail address and I'll send it to you.

Agreed. It is another piece of evidence against those that say only the locals decide their Section 1's. ALPA has no role? If the locals don't like their Section 1's, it's their own fault? Total BS.

ALPA represents both regionals and the majors. This is more proof of what a bad idea this is.

Carl

Check, go to a file sharing site, and upload the PDF page images, and then link to those pages.

Or just google search ALPA Admin Manual, Section 40 and find it here:

http://www.wearealpa.org/about/admin...Bargaining.pdf

Frankly, there has never been a problem with RJ pilots getting involved in mainline scope. Never happened. RJ pilots tried to get THEIR OWN BINDING SCOPE with their parent company and ALPA blocked them at the behest of the Mainline MEC's because what fun is a race to the bottom without multiple participants?

The problem has been, and continues to be, the mainline MEC's with the desire to sell out their junior pilots for credits which are then re-distributed amongst the remainder of the list. Refer to NWA zip line publications from October 2004 for a good briefing on how scope was sold.

For an example of how "meet and confer" works, consider that the NWA flow down language to RJ subsidiaries came over intact to Delta during our merger. With the NWA language, NEW flow down provisions were all of a sudden imposed on ASA and Comair. Comair's pilots made an inquiry about these new provisions and it was discovered that the change from status quo was unintentional. A letter was sent from the Negotiator from the Delta MEC to the Comair pilots confirming the contract provision was unintended and would not be enforced.

When there is confusion, as illustrated above, it just makes sense for ALPA to "meet and confer" internally and resolve minor disputes.

Now also consider Captain Cooksey (fmr ASA MEC Chair) and Dan Ford (fmr ALPA Nat. Safety) are both retired from 121 flying and no longer have any active interest in monitoring the settlement which bears their name. The generation that fought for the first round of ALPA regional airline contracts and who were versed in these issues are now mostly here at mainline.

As far as ALPA is concerned, the revisions which clarify existing policy should help resolve differences constructively, which avoids DFR problems. ALPA's President has always had the power to withhold a signature from a contract and has done so in the past. (CC Air)

Bottom line there was no significant change from existing policy, but now there is a better framework for getting MEC's together to work out their differences, as it should be.

Again, you just illustrate the problem of being associated with ALPA. I could care less if another MEC has a problem with the way we do things at DAPLA. None of their business. The process should go as follows:

1. Delta pilots tell their LEC reps what Section 1 shall look like.
2. LEC reps direct the MEC exactly as is desired by the members
3. MEC directs the negotiating committee to get point #2 done.

Instead, our MEC has to work out our differences with another MEC.

The fact that people don't get this is beyond belief sometimes.

Carl