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Bucking Bar 04-01-2011 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 974169)
Again, you just illustrate the problem of being associated with ALPA. I could care less if another MEC has a problem with the way we do things at DAPLA. None of their business. The process should go as follows:

1. Delta pilots tell their LEC reps what Section 1 shall look like.
2. LEC reps direct the MEC exactly as is desired by the members
3. MEC directs the negotiating committee to get point #2 done.

Instead, our MEC has to work out our differences with another MEC.

The fact that people don't get this is beyond belief sometimes.

Carl

The fact that some people do not know the difference between an enemy and a scare crow is beyond belief.

Mainline MECs negotiated scope sales and our pilots ratified them. ALPA National has mostly watched in dismay (sometimes horror) at how WE have sold out our pilots. ALPA's ranks have DECLINED as a result of our activity. The fastest growing regionals are not ALPA airlines. ALPA loses out all the way around when we sell out our profession.

Politically, the Comair pilots were used as scapegoats. They never negotiated our contracts.

The DPA can chase scarecrows if it wants to waste its time. Stab 'em straw men, they were never alive to begin with and never any threat.

acl65pilot 04-01-2011 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 974179)
The fact that some people do not know the difference between an enemy and a scare crow is beyond belief.

Mainline MECs negotiated scope sales and our pilots ratified them. ALPA National has mostly watched in dismay (sometimes horror) at how WE have sold out our pilots. ALPA's ranks have DECLINED as a result of our activity. The fastest growing regionals are not ALPA airlines. ALPA loses out all the way around when we sell out our profession.

Politically, the Comair pilots were used as scapegoats. They never negotiated our contracts.

The DPA can chase scarecrows if it wants to waste its time. Stab 'em straw men, they were never alive to begin with and never any threat.

Great post +1

Reality is that almost all Regional pilots want scope reigned in. They are smart enough to know that better scope means more job opportunities here and not where they are stuck and topped out.

acl65pilot 04-01-2011 04:01 PM

BTW, go check out the new ALPA I-Phone App.

Carl Spackler 04-01-2011 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 974179)
The fact that some people do not know the difference between an enemy and a scare crow is beyond belief.

Mainline MECs negotiated scope sales and our pilots ratified them. ALPA National has mostly watched in dismay (sometimes horror) at how WE have sold out our pilots. ALPA's ranks have DECLINED as a result of our activity. The fastest growing regionals are not ALPA airlines. ALPA loses out all the way around when we sell out our profession.

Politically, the Comair pilots were used as scapegoats. They never negotiated our contracts.

The DPA can chase scarecrows if it wants to waste its time. Stab 'em straw men, they were never alive to begin with and never any threat.

You don't need all those words to be unresponsive Bar. Just say: "I don't like what you've said, so I'm changing the subject."

In case you forgot what the subject is, I'll repeat it below:

We shouldn't need a method to discuss our differences with another MEC, because what we decide as Delta pilots is none of any other airlines' business. That's the way it should work. But our association with ALPA means that's not the way it works. If you're happy about that, great. I'm not.

Carl

Bill Lumberg 04-01-2011 04:26 PM

Where is that Delta hiring 800 this year thread? April fools hoax, eh? ACL must have gotten them!

Bucking Bar 04-01-2011 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg (Post 974213)
Where is that Delta hiring 800 this year thread? April fools hoax, eh? ACL must have gotten them!

Good jobs to be had at Google:

http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/u...ter/index.html

ACL's been busy auctioning off Russian Nuclear Attack Subs on EBay.

Fun if you are bored on an overnight:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/quiz...lie-sheen-quiz

... and good if you want to be popular with the A line on an European flight:

http://www.gaiaonline.com/meowbook/

acl65pilot 04-01-2011 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 974206)
You don't need all those words to be unresponsive Bar. Just say: "I don't like what you've said, so I'm changing the subject."

In case you forgot what the subject is, I'll repeat it below:

We shouldn't need a method to discuss our differences with another MEC, because what we decide as Delta pilots is none of any other airlines' business. That's the way it should work. But our association with ALPA means that's not the way it works. If you're happy about that, great. I'm not.

Carl

Carl,
The point that many miss, is the issue was dealt with inside of the Association, and not at a bargaining table or in a court room with our company. Ergo, we can deal with disputes internally, and that is the best course of action for our profession, and this pilot group.

acl65pilot 04-01-2011 05:27 PM

Ouch!
 
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Co...otoblog900.jpg

JobHopper 04-01-2011 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 974116)
RoadKill,

Congrats on the retirement. I retired a few years ago and choose to go with Tricare for Medical and Delta's Dental and Vision. The Dental is tons cheaper than Tricare and the Vision actually supplements the Tricare Medical.
I know of a few guys doing it this way but every situation is different.

Ditto. Been using this setup for years. Very cost effective and comprehensive.

acl65pilot 04-01-2011 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 974219)
Good jobs to be had at Google:

Autocompleter - Mountain View - US jobs - Google

ACL's been busy auctioning off Russian Nuclear Attack Subs on EBay.

How did you know that? :eek:


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