Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-08-2011, 11:23 AM
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does anyone know if our mec has made any official comments about this?
04-08-2011, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
The only difference in our positions, is that I want a real lawyer to analyze the situation and not an internet blowhard, no matter how smart he thinks he is.
04-08-2011, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
does anyone know if our mec has made any official comments about this?
04-08-2011, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
And I want a real lawyer I can trust to analyze the situation. A lawyer that doesn't represent an umbrella organization that has competing priorities with mine. I also want this analysis to be a high priority item and to be completed ASAP.
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04-08-2011, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You internet blowhard you...
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04-08-2011, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Well, we have filed many grievances and won most of them. Our total collection for the three years leading up to the merger was close to $30 million, including $10 million for the staffing grievance. Remember the big controversy over the 76 GRIEVANCE settlement, it started with a GRIEVANCE. We spent over $1 million on the no furlough clause grievance after 9/11 where we lost and then won a recall after we went back to the arbitrator again and then grieved the second furlough and won.
Most complaints that get filed get full pay within a week or two of their first call as opposed to waiting a year for a grievance to be filed.
So instead of acting like a little girl, maybe some people should stop acting like a forgetful old man. Do we have to remind you every month about the actions taken?
To summarize, we file a grievance when the actual legal contract has been violated, not when some forum lawyer decides he is now a legal professional. Got it?
Most complaints that get filed get full pay within a week or two of their first call as opposed to waiting a year for a grievance to be filed.
So instead of acting like a little girl, maybe some people should stop acting like a forgetful old man. Do we have to remind you every month about the actions taken?
To summarize, we file a grievance when the actual legal contract has been violated, not when some forum lawyer decides he is now a legal professional. Got it?
Having hundreds of grievances is not a badge of honor, but perhaps a sign of a flawed approach. At the other end of the spectrum, a union that would have zero outstanding grievances is suspect as well. I don't know what our count is, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that there are at least a few things that we don't agree with the company on.
It is quite possible I'm missing something with respect to the Republic situation. In fact I don't really know the legal ramifications. What you're failing to account for, however, is that mine is a legitimate concern. I think the MEC would be wise to address it, rather than to try to minimize the intellect and legal acumen of people on the forum.
There gets to be a point where it doesn't really matter if the legal case is a slam-dunk or not. If the generals are perceived to lack coverage, and the big guns are never brought to bear, and their sound is never heard, then the enemy is no longer deterred, and the desillusioned troups will no longer be rallied. It's more of a leadership problem than a legal issue.
04-08-2011, 11:32 AM
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Alfa this is what needs to be said:
Throw in there "I hope we do" and "looks like we should" and the pilots will give you a chance.
But you don't say that do you?
Maybe you're girls had a point and you just missed it.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
If we have a case, then we will file a grievance.
But you don't say that do you?
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Is it possible, just possible, that your legal training is somehow less stringent than the lawyers who advise ALPA? Our general counsel is considered the nation's leading expert on the RLA and is quoted by judges in their rulings. Could it be possible that you may have made a mistake in your interpretation of the language? So you claim you are misled, when in fact there is an overwhelming chance that you are just wrong, because you are not a lawyer. Seriously, what do you think when there is some delay on your flight and some lawyer comes up to the cockpit and starts bloviating about the airlines. Probably, "What a tool" is the first thing that comes to mind.
Look Carl, is just a blowhard who makes things up. ALPA has filed several grievances over Scope and will continue, WHENEVER IT IS ACTUALLY VIOLATED, not when some pilot who thinks he's a lawyer thinks it has been violated. I have no idea what the implications are of this ruling by the NMB, because I am a stupid pilot and not a lawyer, certainly not one of the most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country. If this changes the circumstances of our scope clause then a cease and desist letter will be sent to management and if they don't comply, a grievance will be filed.
Look Carl, is just a blowhard who makes things up. ALPA has filed several grievances over Scope and will continue, WHENEVER IT IS ACTUALLY VIOLATED, not when some pilot who thinks he's a lawyer thinks it has been violated. I have no idea what the implications are of this ruling by the NMB, because I am a stupid pilot and not a lawyer, certainly not one of the most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country. If this changes the circumstances of our scope clause then a cease and desist letter will be sent to management and if they don't comply, a grievance will be filed.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I fell like I am arguing with my girls back when they are teenagers. Cripes.
04-08-2011, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I fell like I am arguing with my girls back when they are teenagers. Cripes.
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04-08-2011, 11:42 AM
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called my reps....they know and are going forward
04-08-2011, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The Board finds a single transportation system only when there is substantial integration of operations, financial control, and labor and personnel functions. Burlington N. Santa Fe Ry. Co., 32 NMB 163 (2005); Huron and Eastern Ry. Co., Inc., 31 NMB 450 (2004); Portland & Western R. R., Inc., 31 NMB 71 (2003); American Airlines and Reno Air, 26 NMB 467 (1999). Further, the Board has noted that a substantial degree of overlapping ownership, senior management, and Boards of Directors is critical to finding a single transportation system. Precision Valley Aviation, Inc., d/b/a Precision Airlines and Valley Flying Serv., Inc., d/b/a Northeast Express Reg’l Airlines, 20 NMB 619 (1993). The Board’s criteria for substantial integration of operations do not require total integration of operations. US Airways/America West Airlines, 33 NMB 49 (2006).
I don't know all this legal stuff. I think its just hard for the average line pilot to believe that Republic is not an air carrier. What the heck is Republic Air Holdings if its not a company providing air transportation? They are tricking the system through a legal subterfuge.
Right is right. Our contract prevents codesharing with a company that has Airbuses and E-190s. At least we thought it did.
At this point, ALPA may have to file this grievance just to maintain any sort of credibility with the membership. We've been giving away pieces of our scope clause for so long that its kinda like the sun rising in the morning. A little scope erosion pops up -- ALPA lets it slide or agrees to "settle". Drip, drip, drip.
I'm just tired of it.
I don't know all this legal stuff. I think its just hard for the average line pilot to believe that Republic is not an air carrier. What the heck is Republic Air Holdings if its not a company providing air transportation? They are tricking the system through a legal subterfuge.
Right is right. Our contract prevents codesharing with a company that has Airbuses and E-190s. At least we thought it did.
At this point, ALPA may have to file this grievance just to maintain any sort of credibility with the membership. We've been giving away pieces of our scope clause for so long that its kinda like the sun rising in the morning. A little scope erosion pops up -- ALPA lets it slide or agrees to "settle". Drip, drip, drip.
I'm just tired of it.
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