Insulting... perhaps - True... YES.

A stronger union may require adding a little more red, the cobra is known to have very a mean bite when provoked.

blah blah blah blah... yeah.. ya'll went on strike.. BFD.

Easy to say.. yes.. easy to do.. hardly. Try commuting (with a longer JS booking window) from MCO to JFK sometime... nevermind going to a union meeting... and back home. Maybe I would consider going to ATL, but there I have no vote, so what's the point of that? No.. something different has to be done.. whether it is a redistricting to demographic homesteads or allowing guys to join the LEC of their choice, but it is easy to see why DTW and NYC don't have great turn outs. It's up to alpa whether they want this to continue or to truly make an effort to change it. I'm not holding my breath.

Whether they do that or paint 'em pink with purple dots... as long as there are no passengers inside with DAL tickets is the issue....

If it's up to ALPA, why don't you describe for me what their incentive would be to find a way to get you up to a meeting to be a thorn in their side, and perhaps vote in unpredictable ways? Try to keep it under five hundred words. Should be easy.

It's up to you. And me.

For the record, I haven't gotten my lazy [deleted] to a LEC meeting in years. Been too busy on the internet...

It's a good point T.

How about online?

There is no incentive therefore it will not be done.

10 words. Do I win?

They keep saying that we can't do that because of security issues. Maybe that is a legitimate concern, but they could have a kill switch or some kind of device similar to what a courtroom uses when a judge has a sidebar that excludes those not directly involved in the issue to hear it. I know that would evoke a cry of censorship, but it would be vastly better than what is going on now...

There is always plenty of disagreement amongst pilots. Some pilots that volunteer do get turned away, but not necessarily for “ideas that stray from the status quo”. Those that are persistent usually find a place to lend their services and talent.

The Chairman is responsible to the MEC to get the work done. The MEC gives the Chairman direction and he must use his resources to accomplish those goals. His resources are his committee members that must accomplish the work for the Chairman and therefore for the MEC. Not everyone gets flight pay loss. Some Delta pilots volunteer on their off time and help accomplish the direction given by the MEC from feedback from their pilots. Some volunteers don’t get “their” way and take their ball and go home while others persevere to continue for the greater good. It’s not always perfect, but its Delta pilots working for Delta pilots. Those that get flight pay loss are held to high standards with oversight, because everyone knows pilots want and require accountability. It’s the reason why our SMRA account is doing so well. Some Delta pilot volunteers may wander, but will be brought back in line by the Chairman or MEC quickly. Some volunteers that get flight pay loss work long office hours and accomplish much for Delta pilots like CA, Scheduling, and Safety. They continue their work on weekends while answering emails and phone calls.

You're not overwhelmed by the cobra myth either?

It's pretty simple for me: if the myth was true, the cobra would have enjoyed far superior outcomes (pay, working conditions, etc.) than the alternative. I think potentialy all the venom was misdirected. Like towards each other.

Either way, while I'm not interested in reviving that defunct animal, I am in agreement that on our side of the house, we've gotten rather...soft. We were fairly clever with constructive engagement a few times, but perhaps we're starting to look as if we don't value engagement as a tool, but an objective.

I'm more interested in some sort of synergy between some of their better tactics, and some of ours. It would be a shame if the pilot group failed to realize synergies of the merger, wouldn't it?