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tsquare 04-03-2011 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 975133)
The exact compensation of full time ALPA volunteers is as elusive as the Fountain of Youth and Eldorado. I do not have access to exact numbers, but all of us who pay their expenses should, and I suspect there is law and policy that supports that. I believe several LEC's have tried numerous times to get the information and have been rebuffed in every attempt at the MEC level. The fact that they are so circumspect and guarded about it would lead one to believe there is something they do not want the membership to know about, otherwise it would be there for all to see. It's not mine to prove but theirs to disprove as they are public officials using our money to fund the organization.


Why did you quote me? I have said nothing about anybody's compensation in any of my posts....

ExAF 04-03-2011 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 973730)
Notice the "Touch and Go" that the MEC just sent to you in boxes. Looks like after 10 years CREWPASS will be a reality.

Yes, but they have a new name for it. Wonder how long THIS test will take...another 10 years????

acl65pilot 04-03-2011 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 975133)
The exact compensation of full time ALPA volunteers is as elusive as the Fountain of Youth and Eldorado. I do not have access to exact numbers, but all of us who pay their expenses should, and I suspect there is law and policy that supports that. I heard those numbers from a rep so I consider them credible. I believe several LEC's have tried numerous times to get the information and have been rebuffed in every attempt at the MEC level. The fact that they are so circumspect and guarded about it would lead one to believe there is something they do not want the membership to know about, otherwise it would be there for all to see. It's not mine to prove but theirs to disprove as they are public officials using our money to fund the organization.


Interesting. I guess you point is that if there is nothing to hide, why not make it public.

Are you talking about 24J positions that the company pays, or something else?

acl65pilot 04-03-2011 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 975158)
Yes, but they have a new name for it. Wonder how long THIS test will take...another 10 years????

Better not.

ExAF 04-03-2011 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by dragon (Post 974116)
RoadKill,

Congrats on the retirement. I retired a few years ago and choose to go with Tricare for Medical and Delta's Dental and Vision. The Dental is tons cheaper than Tricare and the Vision actually supplements the Tricare Medical.

I know of a few guys doing it this way but every situation is different.

There is a fairly lengthy (and old) thread on this in the military section.

Same here. Same mix. Very pleased.

marcal 04-03-2011 12:08 PM

Do DAL pilots still have the opportunity to flow back to any regionals in the event of furlough, and if so what seat and which airlines?

acl65pilot 04-03-2011 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by marcal (Post 975174)
Do DAL pilots still have the opportunity to flow back to any regionals in the event of furlough, and if so what seat and which airlines?

The CPS flow back is still in place.

Bucking Bar 04-03-2011 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 974934)
Bar;

Do you dispute there was a JC Lawson letter. Do you dispute that a wholly owned subsidiary won the "round'? Do you dispute that mainline pilots were not hired and were required to resign their seniority to take a job at Comair?

Your question proves the whole issue of conflict of interest.

This issue continues with the FC ruling. Its indefensible really.

The letter exists. But I don't think he "won" anything. He lost. The evidence is the harm to the pilots he represented.

But, it was a false conflict. The Delta MEC did not have to defer to JC Lawson to negotiate with Delta Management.

My point is there was no conflict of interest. The Delta MEC got what it wanted, both through the action of negotiating and getting our contracts ratified. The Delta MEC also got what it wanted through inaction.

When one division of Delta is furloughing experienced pilots while another division is hiring & promoting inexperienced pilots that DOCUMENTS a FAILURE of our union's responsibility to protect jobs.

The "JC Lawson is a bad guy" excuse does not cut it with me. JC Lawson is a jerk, but, it is not JC Lawson's job to represent me or protect my job. That responsibility belongs to the Delta MEC.

Reroute 04-03-2011 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Enemyofthestate (Post 975133)
The exact compensation of full time ALPA volunteers is as elusive as the Fountain of Youth and Eldorado. I do not have access to exact numbers, but all of us who pay their expenses should, and I suspect there is law and policy that supports that. I heard those numbers from a rep so I consider them credible. I believe several LEC's have tried numerous times to get the information and have been rebuffed in every attempt at the MEC level. The fact that they are so circumspect and guarded about it would lead one to believe there is something they do not want the membership to know about, otherwise it would be there for all to see. It's not mine to prove but theirs to disprove as they are public officials using our money to fund the organization.


It took me 5 minutes to find it on the Delta Pilot website. It's in the Policy manual in black and white.I just searched policy manual than compensation.

The MEC officers, pilot director and EAs get paid what they could have earned if they were flying the line based on their "longevity/seniority, bid status (e.g., lineholder, reserve), equipment, and domicile", plus 5 hours.

The MEC Treasurer periodically determines the average hours flown by Delta pilots. That average is used to determine the full month rate for full-time and part-time compensation. He briefs that at every MEC meeting.

Here's the exact language from the policy manuual in case I screwed up the Cliff Notes version with bold for emphasis.

The MEC treasurer will periodically (but at least annually) determine the average hours flown by Delta pilots. This average will be used to determine the full month rate for full-time and part-time compensation. At every regularly scheduled MEC meeting, the MEC treasurer will provide the MEC with the full month rate and the methodology used to determine the full month rate.

4. Pay protection

a. The Association Board of Directors member, MEC chairman, vice
chairman, secretary, treasurer, executive administrator, and three MEC
Negotiating Committee members (“designated pilots”) will be paid in
accordance with Section 24 of the PWA, up to the maximum that could
have been earned by the member under the PWA if engaged in line flying
based on his longevity/seniority, bid status (e.g., lineholder, reserve),
equipment, and domicile.

b. Merger representatives (Merger Committee members), upon assignment to
full-time duty with the Association, will be paid the rate of pay for the
highest paying equipment they can hold on the Delta Air Lines system, up
to the maximum that could have been earned by the member under the
PWA if engaged in line flying based on his longevity/seniority, bid status
(e.g., lineholder, reserve), equipment, and domicile.

c. A pilot included in paragraph a. and b. above:

1) In a “no bid” category will be paid the full-month rate plus a five hour
plus-up.

2) Holding a system bid and maintaining aircraft currency will be
paid his credited hours, but no less than the full-month rate plus a
five-hour plus-up.



gloopy 04-03-2011 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 975200)
The CPS flow back is still in place.

Not that it makes up for the outsourcing in the first place, but with CPS growing significantly, does the number of flow down positions remain at 405 (or whatever it was) or does it the total CPS list size?


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