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acl65pilot 04-02-2011 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 974826)
No. Because the person answering was genuinely trying to be helpful and not trying to help make a derogatory point against Check.

I was not being derogatory to you what so ever. It was a yes/no answer. :rolleyes:

forgot to bid 04-02-2011 06:41 PM

Dang it hit submit, it does it's little 2 second thing and when it posts you had already posted behind me ACL. :D

DAL 88 Driver 04-02-2011 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 974838)
I was not being derogatory to you what so ever. It was a yes/no answer. :rolleyes:

Yes. A "yes/no answer" eagerly given to a rhetorical question intended to be derogatory.

Bucking Bar 04-02-2011 07:01 PM

Check Essential:

Something to ponder ...

If the Delta MEC negotiates with Delta Management and Delta Management OWNS Comair, why couldn't the Delta MEC simply negotiate with Delta Management if they wanted their furloughed pilots hired at Comair without resigning seniority?

Why was JC Lawson involved at all?

1234 04-02-2011 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 974837)
For anyone who didn't hit play, you're missing cheerleaders dancing.

Ok, so your comment got me to hit play, however, you could have also added to just go to the halfway point so that I didn't have to sit through the beginning. :)

forgot to bid 04-02-2011 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by 1234 (Post 974861)
Ok, so your comment got me to hit play, however, you could have also added to just go to the halfway point so that I didn't have to sit through the beginning. :)

Oh, I forgot, go to the halfway point and you can skip Taylor Hicks. :D

sorry 1234... kind of funny though.

forgot to bid 04-02-2011 07:28 PM

Here's the question, why wouldn't it be more cost effective to bring all of DCI under the umbrella of 1 single regional carrier completely dedicated to Delta Air lines and not United, themselves, USAir or Continental? 1 contract, completely controlled by Delta with fleet rearrangement and shrinkage as Delta immediately see's fit to meet their needs.

Or do we have 8 DCI carriers, really fewer, but according to ALPA's lawyers 8 completely separate individual airlines, because their purpose is to...

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uplo...saw_detail.jpg

each other?

And therein as a group the purpose of their existence is to...

http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/uplo...saw_detail.jpg

us?

But oddly enough we're brought together under 1 common roof and surprisingly it's not that of Delta Air Lines
(as their allegiances are as far from Delta as ours is centered upon Delta) but rather:

http://www.planebuzz.com/150px-ALPA_logo.jpg National

The place that promises to protect our jobs... and theirs? But as its constituted right now, by taking all comers neither their jobs nor ours are protected, they're just shuffled periodically.

forgot to bid 04-02-2011 07:42 PM

I stand corrected, ALPA is not there to protect our jobs:


The mission of the Air Line Pilots Association is to promote and champion all aspects of aviation safety throughout all segments of the aviation community; to represent, in both specific and general respects, the collective interests of all pilots in commercial aviation; to assist in collective bargaining activities on behalf of all pilots represented by the Association; to promote the health and welfare of the members of the Association before all governmental agencies; to be a strong, forceful advocate of the airline piloting profession, through all forms of media, and with the public at large; and to be the ultimate guardian and defender of the rights and privileges of the professional pilots who are members of the Association.
So if ALPA isn't there to protect our jobs then why is DALPA send them our money?

Now if LM ever says this, then, I'll believe ALPA is truly looking at the collective interests of all pilots: "Our mission is to shrink the regional's and grow the higher paying major and legacy carriers."

But the impression you're left with is -collective interests of all pilots- means serving two opposing masters.

Check Essential 04-02-2011 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 974854)
Check Essential:

Something to ponder ...

If the Delta MEC negotiates with Delta Management and Delta Management OWNS Comair, why couldn't the Delta MEC simply negotiate with Delta Management if they wanted their furloughed pilots hired at Comair without resigning seniority?

Why was JC Lawson involved at all?

Without going into all the RLA/NMB legal reasons --

We were trying to be politically correct and good union "brothers".
In hindsight we should have gone around Lawson. The Comair MEC at that time was a wholly owned subsidiary of the RJDC. Will Buergey walked into an ambush.

I truly feel for guys like Boomer and the rest of the junior Comair guys who were just along for the ride. They are the real victims of the knucklehead lifers who were running the show back then. The way the strike was handled and the whole RJDC thing has cost them their airline.
I'll give you guys the last word about those events.

I'd rather focus on the future and figure out how O"Malley could best approach management and tell them we need some relief from this bankruptcy contract RIGHT NOW. The pilot group is not going to wait until 2013.

Boomer 04-02-2011 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 974894)
I truly feel for guys like Boomer and the rest of the junior Comair guys who were just along for the ride. They are the real victims of the knucklehead lifers who were running the show back then. The way the strike was handled and the whole RJDC thing has cost them their airline.

I'll give you guys the last word about those events.

I'll let you keep the last word since you and Bar summed it up better than I could.

At least I can say I taught a generation of Chautauqua Captains how to fly, so I got that going for me...


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