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BTW I'm not crazy it's just that I was commuting from SFO to ATL to sit long call so why not fly. Moving to ATL next month so I can be like FTB and sit long call in my underwear on the couch
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Originally Posted by SierraWhiskey
(Post 1035794)
So, I haven't gotten around to reading that 1100 pg PDF FTB recommended on DALPA site, but why is it that RES pilots can not pick up any time on days off to help out other brothers/sister's in a time of need? I know I'm new and a little naive (not in judgement).
SW I think FL allowed reserve pilots to pick up trips though. but I guess the thought is if the trip is never picked up then it will go to a reserve pilot anyways. The other thought is if you want weekends off on reserve you could just pick up weekday trips and have a conflict or a raw score that kept you from having to fly on the weekend- therein giving you a line that senior pilots holding lines couldn't get. The last part is, a majority of the airline are line holders and the system is weighted towards line holders such that yes there may be a time in need but you getting that trip keeps someone from getting that trip at double pay. They get trips covered because line holders are more then willing to show up 45 minutes after they were called for premium pay. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1035823)
The cleanup crew doesn't get to make the messes. :D
I think FL allowed reserve pilots to pick up trips though. but I guess the thought is if the trip is never picked up then it will go to a reserve pilot anyways. The other thought is if you want weekends off on reserve you could just pick up weekday trips and have a conflict or a raw score that kept you from having to fly on the weekend- therein giving you a line that senior pilots holding lines couldn't get. The last part is, a majority of the airline are line holders and the system is weighted towards line holders such that yes there may be a time in need but you getting that trip keeps someone from getting that trip at double pay. They get trips covered because line holders are more then willing to show up 45 minutes after they were called for premium pay. |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1035823)
The cleanup crew doesn't get to make the messes. :D
I think FL allowed reserve pilots to pick up trips though. but I guess the thought is if the trip is never picked up then it will go to a reserve pilot anyways. The other thought is if you want weekends off on reserve you could just pick up weekday trips and have a conflict or a raw score that kept you from having to fly on the weekend- therein giving you a line that senior pilots holding lines couldn't get. The last part is, a majority of the airline are line holders and the system is weighted towards line holders such that yes there may be a time in need but you getting that trip keeps someone from getting that trip at double pay. They get trips covered because line holders are more then willing to show up 45 minutes after they were called for premium pay. |
Originally Posted by SierraWhiskey
(Post 1035794)
So, I haven't gotten around to reading that 1100 pg PDF FTB recommended on DALPA site, but why is it that RES pilots can not pick up any time on days off to help out other brothers/sister's in a time of need? I know I'm new and a little naive (not in judgement).
SW
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1035803)
Unless you're ACL65 "I credit 90-110 hours a month every month" pilot.
You're ATL 88 which has been slow... so yes, you will get paid 70 hours every month for the most part. That is not universally true though. The past couple months I've been at 70 because I really enjoy my weekends off and usually have stuff planned, but prior to that with very little extra effort I was cranking out 90+.
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1035805)
Because if you are picking up open time on your day off, then you may have a conflict with your next reserve block, (think 30 in 7.)
What I want to know is why reserves don't get paid the credit time in a rotation?
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 1035809)
Because that would take control of your life away from crew skeds and perhaps allow you to fly up to the ALV at some point in the month. Ya see, if you could do that, they wouldn't be able to fly you to ALV -2 and keep you on SC the entire month..
/Sarcasm Just suck it up, right? We will all be senior someday. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1035835)
The way I read the SOT initiatives, seniority will be factored into the reserve process sometime in the coming year. RAW scores adjusted for seniority, etc, anybody else see it that way, or am I stuck on stupid?
This is a step in the right direction. Not quite a straight seniority system where the senior guy is proffered each trip and he can "sit at home in his underwear" deciding if/when he goes to work. The SOT did a great job in my opnion of getting quite a few scheduling items cleaned up outside of Section 6. We still have a LONG way to go, but the heavy stuff will have to wait for contract negotiations. By the way, the TOT (Training Optimization Team) is accepting recommendations from us line grunts. Also, there is a rotation construction survey on the flight ops website. They can't get us what we want if we don't give them input, so fill 'em out! |
Originally Posted by LeineLodge
(Post 1035848)
You're right. There will be RAW buckets, and you will be able to HIGH or LOW yellowslip within your respective RAW bucket. No longer will the senior guy get hosed because he is 1 point higher/lower than a guy junior to him (unless or course both pilots are in different buckets because of that 1 point).
This is a step in the right direction. Not quite a straight seniority system where the senior guy is proffered each trip and he can "sit at home in his underwear" deciding if/when he goes to work. The SOT did a great job in my opnion of getting quite a few scheduling items cleaned up outside of Section 6. We still have a LONG way to go, but the heavy stuff will have to wait for contract negotiations. By the way, the TOT (Training Optimization Team) is accepting recommendations from us line grunts. Also, there is a rotation construction survey on the flight ops website. They can't get us what we want if we don't give them input, so fill 'em out! |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 1035851)
Thanks Leine! That's the way I understand it as well, which is good, not great, but certainly an improvement. Also, I agree completely about the rotation construction survey. Take it people!! I did.
The bummer of the rotation construction survey was that it was oriented 99% to domestic. I will say, domestic probably needed the majority of the emphasis, but I was hoping for a little bone thrown to int'l especially with regard to trip length. I dont know for sure, but anecdotal evidence seems to me that if you dont live in the ATL, longer trips might be preferable to commuting multiple times to/from base. I also agree that the SOT did a pretty sweet job of improving things. I am thinking that wrt reserve, there are a few areas in which they could make improvements that would make it downright palatable or even preferable. One of these would be to actually give you credit, not pay (say 5 hrs) for each short call. That way you wouldnt have a 20 day 65 hr month with 5 shortcalls. I am still a little fuzzy on how seniority on reserve will work. It has been a while since we had that system and it has never been one where you could fully skate if you wanted. |
I live in ATL, and I prefer longer trips!
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Guy/Gals,
Thanks for all the reply's all good info for me being the new guy on the block and thanks for going easy on me! Glad to be apart of a great group of professionals! SW |
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