First National's Resources Carl, not their agenda. Big difference. National's only job in Negotiations is to bring two sparring pilot groups together. The EFand A tells the pilots what they need to hear, not necessarily what they want to. If that is managing expectations, then I guess we can go waste our money on someone that will just tell us what we want to hear, that will work great.

As for MEMRAT, the simple fact is that what our Chairman states is correct, Our pilots want pay no matter what. I just hope that when push comes to shove their direction is not, "Pay at the cost of Scope." The MEC's position is that of the majority here. Many may not like that, and that is understandable. Point your gun in the correct direction.

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Newk could not have nailed that teradactyl on his nose any cleaner. OUTSTANDING post! +1

Sounds good to me!

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Yes, we recall the same history. The only thing I am suggesting we focus on is the actual objective reasons why this outsourcing happened and not the scapegoat justifications used by politicians.

At ALPA National and at the Regionals, outsourcing had a negative effect. ASA & Comair did not get the majority of that growth. ALPA did not get the growth either. The growth went to non union and non ALPA carriers.

Yes, absolutely Comair was/is a political pariah. But, if anything they tried had been effective, their airline would not be in ruins.

Bottom line, ANY time a union destroys unity (in this case by redefining and outsourcing half it's members' work) it HARMS the union.

I would agree with all that.
The final straw for me regarding ALPA's handling of Comair and the RJDC was this:

After JC Lawson and the Comair MEC committed their atrocity and refused to hire furloughed pilots, what did ALPA do? They made JC Lawson an Executive Vice President.

That made the ALPA National conflict of interest crystal clear.

You must be mistaken, there is no conflict.

And....... Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

Good post.

What are the numbers on the DCI fleet now btw? I count 650 with 361 CRJ200s, 70 CRJ700s, 101 CRJ900s, 68 EJets, 24 ERJ-145s and 26 SAABs. That's 239 70+ seaters?

JC Lawson being a jack horse is totally separate from taking our flying against our will. No one argues that that was totally below the belt, and unacceptable. Yes, Comair is totally different, and their venom is inexcusable. It will never be forgotten, whereas ASA did the opposite, and correct thing.

The reality is ALPA does not hire pilots, but maybe it should. :eek:
They did not take our furloughed guys, but the reality is that there are plenty of groups that do not take other furloughed pilots first. MEH comes to mind, IPA's furloughed UPS pilots, APA's AMR and TWA pilots, etc. This is not a ALPA exclusive issue. I am not stating we should not do better, but if you are going to throw the mud, throw it at all the players not just one.

My opinion is ALPA should help out fellow ALPA pilots who lose their jobs, we agree on that. It is something that all pilot unions have failed at. Job fairs in a horrible market do nothing but put lipstick on a pig. When MEH was furloughing their pilots DAL, and CAL, UPS, FDX, UAL(would have been furloughed), f9, etc were hiring. No one had a preferential interviews policy set up.

FtB;
You know full well that these RJ guys can talk a good game but deep down they all want to be where you are, and really do not want to see more scope sales. Scope sales start and end with each MEC. I have not fear that our current MEC Council will take any TA and send it back that sells small jet scope. They have no appetite for it.

Resources equals process. You're naive if you think the money and the experts don't play THE key role in negotiations. But since I know you're not naive, it's clear you hope to fool your fellow pilots by stating things are patently untrue. The question is, why you do this.

The ALPA president disagrees with you. He said that ALPA's highest priority in negotiations is to use ALPA's resources to ensure that contracts are not "selfish" and that contracts reflect what is best for the profession as a whole. Why do you make this stuff up? Are you used to nobody calling you on falsehoods? Do you not read what he says? Or do you just interpret it in your own special way?

Carl