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Old 06-09-2011 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
What are the advantages of these larger "AE" (displacement) bids compared to a monthly, or quarterly, system? It seems like a lot rides on the outcome of these for pilots, crew planning and the accountants. Months are spent tweaking the plan, then fuel, market conditions, or some other factor changes and then it seems everyone starts "we should of ..."

Smaller bids would allow much greater flexibility and certainty. Why do we have our AE system? Was it mostly to avoid seasonal furloughs?

How about a North guy chime in and explain how the NWA system worked. As someone who is going back on Reserve after almost 4 years as a line holder, I like the idea of block and reserve basing. What about the rest. The good/bad and the ugly please.

thanks,
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Old 06-09-2011 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
What are the advantages of these larger "AE" (displacement) bids compared to a monthly, or quarterly, system? It seems like a lot rides on the outcome of these for pilots, crew planning and the accountants. Months are spent tweaking the plan, then fuel, market conditions, or some other factor changes and then it seems everyone starts "we should of ..."

Smaller bids would allow much greater flexibility and certainty. Why do we have our AE system? Was it mostly to avoid seasonal furloughs?
I agree. ^^^^

The trying to out think the system leads to people forgoing the logical "bid what you want, want what you bid" and screwing not only themselves but other pilots who weren't even participating.
Old 06-09-2011 | 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
FWIW, "irregardless" is a word in common use. According to Merriam Webster the word was first noted in 1915 and accepted into dictionaries in 1927. The word is most common in spoken commentary and does not have a "good reputation" but, yes, it is a word.

Bar;

Apparently, you are not a word nazi, but instead a word snob.
Old 06-09-2011 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingnutdal
CF is the chief of chief line check guys.
Not any more!
Old 06-09-2011 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
My bid on how many pilots will take the early out:



Yall know the rules, the player whose bid is closest to the actual retail price of the prize, or the number who will take the early out, without going over wins the prize and plays the next pricing game... guessing how many pilots retire in the next 5 years.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Currently are just shy of 100 less than this number.
I still have a chance imho:

FTB 43
Hoserpilot 37
Buzzpat 173
The Wagman 199
Gloopy $1
Contrails 73
Iaflyer 147
Old 06-09-2011 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
FTB 43
Hoserpilot 37
Buzzpat 173
The Wagman 199
Gloopy $1
Contrails 73
Iaflyer 147
Put me down for 44. Looks like you just got bracketed FTB
Old 06-09-2011 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by LeineLodge
Put me down for 44. Looks like you just got bracketed FTB
You



Old 06-09-2011 | 05:12 AM
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45 and they're all going to Frontier for the subsidised work; guaranteed profits!
Old 06-09-2011 | 05:14 AM
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FTB 43
Leinlodge 44
Phuz 45
Hoserpilot 37
Buzzpat 173
The Wagman 199
Gloopy $1
Contrails 73
Iaflyer 147
Old 06-09-2011 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by fishguy79
How about a North guy chime in and explain how the NWA system worked. As someone who is going back on Reserve after almost 4 years as a line holder, I like the idea of block and reserve basing. What about the rest. The good/bad and the ugly please.

thanks,
fish
At NWA, there was a category for reserves and a category for lineholders for each aircraft, seat, and base. If the schedule dropped to the point that the bottom lineholders could not hold a line, they had some options. One being sitting at home until you received a trip for I think 70 hours guaranteed pay. When this happened to me, I ended up flying over 80 hours. Two was sitting straight reserve for 75 hours. I can't remember the third option, but it was probably a blank line with no guarantee and the option to pick up trips out of opentime. The reserves were always reserves. They had no chance of holding a line. Any trips left over after the last lineholder was awarded a trip were dropped into open time.

This is why you'll hear a 744 or 330 captain say he was a lineholder before the merger, but now he's reserve. We had some really senior green book guys in the 744 and 330 reserve captain categories because those were the only openings after the fence dropped. Even though they were senior to the lineholders, they couldn't get into the category.

The systems are different.
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