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Old 07-08-2011 | 08:32 AM
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So I just arrive in DTW for my rotation, & scheduling calls to inform me that they cancelled my 1st leg due to delays in JFK for WX resulting in my 4 day becoming a 3 day. This call came around 3 hours before report. This was a 4 day that I swapped with the pot.

If I'm reading Sec 4.4 correctly, I should be paid for the original value of the rotation. Correct? My time card shows the reroute credit, which is around 5 hours LESS pay. Will it just take time to correct? Thanks for the help.
As a line holder you will be paid for the original rotation value.
Old 07-08-2011 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

Factors which make this appear plausible:
  • ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
  • Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
  • United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
  • Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
  • Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
  • Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining
I wonder what is going on behind the scenes with Republic/Frontier Airlines and Pinnacle.

Sean Menke (Ex Frontier CEO) is the new CEO of Pinnacle. ""Edward “Ted” Christie will follow his former boss at Frontier Airlines to Memphis-based Pinnacle Airlines Corp.""

Another ex-Frontier exec joins Pinnacle | Denver Business Journal

I hope our Union is keeping a nice eye on this. The last thing I want to see is Republic Airbuses flying for Delta or Delta acquiring Frontier's assets. From what Im gathering, the Frontier pilots' seem to cave in on every management demand.

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Old 07-08-2011 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So I just arrive in DTW for my rotation, & scheduling calls to inform me that they cancelled my 1st leg due to delays in JFK for WX resulting in my 4 day becoming a 3 day. This call came around 3 hours before report. This was a 4 day that I swapped with the pot.

If I'm reading Sec 4.4 correctly, I should be paid for the original value of the rotation. Correct? My time card shows the reroute credit, which is around 5 hours LESS pay. Will it just take time to correct? Thanks for the help.
In my experience, that's true for regular line holders. If you're on reserve, that's not the case. I've been rerouted numerous times, CAPT got full trip credit as a line holder, but I didn't; called the scheduling supervisor at the time & he confirmed it was due to reserve status. If you call scheduling (or crew tracking?) they should fix it.
Old 07-08-2011 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

Factors which make this appear plausible:
  • ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
  • Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
  • United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
  • Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
  • Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
  • Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining
Bucking, I've been mostly agreeing with you lately. But no way this MEC will permit the 100 seater to go to the regionals. That would make ME send in a DPA card.
Old 07-08-2011 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
As a line holder you will be paid for the original rotation value.
Originally Posted by Elvis90
In my experience, that's true for regular line holders. If you're on reserve, that's not the case. I've been rerouted numerous times, CAPT got full trip credit as a line holder, but I didn't; called the scheduling supervisor at the time & he confirmed it was due to reserve status. If you call scheduling (or crew tracking?) they should fix it.
Thought so. Thanks guys. Would've been nice to have another night at home, but at least it's not an extra night on the road.
Old 07-08-2011 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

Factors which make this appear plausible:
  • ALPA will not commit to holding the line on scope
  • Delta's upcoming airplane order will serve as a distraction
  • United's management put a "99" seat jet demand on the table
  • Republic ordered airplanes it has no apparent need for
  • Pinnacle and Republic and Frontier have been playing musical managers and bungee bosses
  • Delta has so long delayed fleet replacement that capital expense requirements may result in crisis bargaining
Who knows what the intentions are but:

The policy manual states the negotiation committee generally will have an election every two years. Not that it has too. From the reports I am getting the Negotiation Committee has really started working as one, are listening to the reps and what they want, and appear to be the group we want going forward. There is a special MEC meeting next Tuesday to discuss this issue exclusively. As I understand it, the meeting was called by the Reps, not the Admin.

Reality is that, this is a good team, we do not need to insert anyone in to it. Many of the reps do not want to call the election. I would suggest calling, your reps and seeing where they stand. From what I do gather, many can assume where a specific rep stands based on their past positions.

Also I understand that this will be a recorded vote so everyone will know where each rep stands on this.

On the scope sale rumor. Nothing specific or non specific out of the MEC. That said this 25% pay raise rumor seems to be out there a lot. May be a leak from somewhere to see where our collective heads are, and if the support is there the 190 may be in play too.

Also hearing that RJET is trying to sell F9 to Pinnacle. We then would get the 320's in exchange for 190 type flying. This rumor is just that, but it seems to be coming from any directions.

Suffice to say, the Reps need to support their pilots' wishes not those of anyone else.
Old 07-08-2011 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Who knows what the intentions are but:

The policy manual states the negotiation committee generally will have an election every two years. Not that it has too. From the reports I am getting the Negotiation Committee has really started working as one, are listening to the reps and what they want, and appear to be the group we want going forward. There is a special MEC meeting next Tuesday to discuss this issue exclusively. As I understand it, the meeting was called by the Reps, not the Admin.

Reality is that, this is a good team, we do not need to insert anyone in to it. Many of the reps do not want to call the election. I would suggest calling, your reps and seeing where they stand. From what I do gather, many can assume where a specific rep stands based on their past positions.

Also I understand that this will be a recorded vote so everyone will know where each rep stands on this.

On the scope sale rumor. Nothing specific or non specific out of the MEC. That said this 25% pay raise rumor seems to be out there a lot. May be a leak from somewhere to see where our collective heads are, and if the support is there the 190 may be in play too.

Also hearing that RJET is trying to sell F9 to Pinnacle. We then would get the 320's in exchange for 190 type flying. This rumor is just that, but it seems to be coming from any directions.

Suffice to say, the Reps need to support their pilots' wishes not those of anyone else.
ACL, can u elaborate on this? Does this mean the Frontier Pilots get merged with us? or do we just buy the 320s?

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Old 07-08-2011 | 08:43 AM
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But no way this MEC will permit the 100 seater to go to the regionals. That would make ME send in a DPA card.
Ditto.

Besides, how would changing the negotiating committee facilitate 100 seaters going to the regionals? I can't believe the MEC would vote for this and I KNOW the membership would never ratify such an agreement.

This sounds like a DPA fear mongering rumor.
Old 07-08-2011 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Hearing RUMORS that a change in negotiating committee being voted on next facilitating a 100 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.
YGTBSM....

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I'm hearing RUMORS that the small jet defense coalition wants to "unify" their small jet buds by providing them seniority numbers on the Delta list without protecting the flying their buds currently do. They want this because the small jet numbers are shrinking and their buds are scared that the small jet business model is failing. The rapid consolidation in that segment of the industry has them believing that the outsourced gravy train is over. They're calling for a change in negotiating committee and facilitating a 400 seat scope sale. Have not received verification yet.

[/sarcasm]

You're better than this tripe, Bar.
Old 07-08-2011 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Who knows what the intentions are but:

The policy manual states the negotiation committee generally will have an election every two years. Not that it has too. From the reports I am getting the Negotiation Committee has really started working as one, are listening to the reps and what they want, and appear to be the group we want going forward. There is a special MEC meeting next Tuesday to discuss this issue exclusively. As I understand it, the meeting was called by the Reps, not the Admin.

Reality is that, this is a good team, we do not need to insert anyone in to it. Many of the reps do not want to call the election. I would suggest calling, your reps and seeing where they stand. From what I do gather, many can assume where a specific rep stands based on their past positions.

Also I understand that this will be a recorded vote so everyone will know where each rep stands on this.

On the scope sale rumor. Nothing specific or non specific out of the MEC. That said this 25% pay raise rumor seems to be out there a lot. May be a leak from somewhere to see where our collective heads are, and if the support is there the 190 may be in play too.

Also hearing that RJET is trying to sell F9 to Pinnacle. We then would get the 320's in exchange for 190 type flying. This rumor is just that, but it seems to be coming from any directions.

Suffice to say, the Reps need to support their pilots' wishes not those of anyone else.
What determines whether a contract change must be put out for MEMRAT? Is it possible that this could be LOA'd into effect (not that I think any rep I've heard speak is dumb enough to do that) or would a large item such as this need to be voted on by the pilot group?

That aside, I can't believe we're even having this discussion - RUMOR or not. That fact that any one of us, senior/junior/rep/member, would even consider selling even one more airplane's worth of scope is too far out there for me to believe it.

I don't buy the argument that we need to "help" management either. Let them order airplanes if they need them. We fly the airplanes. It's that simple. All this shellgame distraction is just that, a distraction. Let's not make this more complicated than it needs to be. Delta pilots fly Delta airplanes.
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