Then ALPA needs to recapture our DCI flying, so that we dont furlough 1500 pilots while we get SWA W2s..Has anyone ever thought about that?

TEN

False. Where is parity mentioned in the second quote?

The 18 days off is what they end up actually working after vacation, sick ect.. It also included several years where there was little overtime at SW. You can probably show that most Delta pilots work about the same. I would also bet the average MD88 Captain makes quite a bit more then 80 hours a month. Another poster just stated most guys fly ALV plus 15. I don't think that quite right but most are above the ALV. In addition there is pay for training, vacation, reroute, greenslips ect....
I know guys who did 400 hours in 3 months this year. Again when you go before the NMB the company is going to have the exact numbers. We will have to provide honest numbers or the NMB gets upset. You can bet your ___ the company will have the total block hour cost number highlighted in 12 inch letters. Again it was 690 an hour for Delta and 698 an hour for SW.

I don't want to work more. I want to work less.

I agree. I want the SWA W2 and work only 70-75 hours. THat is the KEY. WHats the point of making 200k working 100 hours a month, no thanks,

TEN

I believe the average SW pilot works on average more than 80 hours a month. I would say 85 would be more accurate. That includes reserves. This has been said, and bears repeating, that the $230,000 is an average. They are able to pick up to the max of 100 hours a month, and a lot do. Not all, probably not a majority, but a lot.

They have 15 days off on reserve, but there is no long call. It's all short call, and they don't get credit for the days they don't get used. But here's the thing, if a guy is on reserve 15 days, he flies 15 days. If he's on reserve 16 days, he flies 16 days.

They get incredible productivity out of their pilots.

And believe this, if DALPA went to the company and said let's get rid of ALV, it would be done tomorrow. And my happy butt and at least 1,000 of my fellow pilots would be on the street.

You need to adjust the number of hours by at least 85 to make it a reasonable comparison, and probably more.

Now having said that, I still want a fat raise.

I agree with you. It would be stupid to publish the results. Buuuuuut, I have little faith in the survey per se. Remember the MMPI? I will read it, and I will do it, but I am concerned that there will be manipulative questions. I hope I am proved wrong, but I guessssssss I would rather smash my toe with a hammer than stick a needle in my eye...

They are Form 41 stats. I also mentioned where some of the stats are not a true comparison. These guys just put the stats reported by the airlines in to graphs and info the common man can understand. Jeez.

Interesting. When I brought up the concept of LGBP, some of the resistance I got was that it would hamper guys from bidding a bigger airplane in order to make more money. For you to do what you want to do, we would have to institute a hard hourly cap again, because guys have become accustomed to flying 80-85-90 hours a month. If you think for one minute that when we get a raise that will allow you to make $200K in 75 hours that guys won't work 90 hours and make $240K, you are delusional.

I don't know what this survey will have. In the past however there was a option to write a summary of what you were looking to achieve. Hopefully that will be there this year. If you don't like the canned answer section take some time with that option. I do know that ever single one who wrote something in that section had it read by the negotiating committee on the last contract. It was a long tedious job but they did it.

George