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Originally Posted by maddogmax
(Post 605931)
OK. Does that mean the union can negotiate to change the seniority list as awarded? It is all part of the same award.
I really don't think so. For something material like how an arbitrator decided a seniority list, the union would have a duty to fairly represent everyone. So, whoever is impacted negatively by the unions negotiations can sue them for a violation of this duty. Ala US Airways..... As far as fences, I think the union could make a case that it would be a wash either way. By the way, this is no way to be interpreted to mean that I want the list to be changed or not changed. Or, the fences down or up. At this point, I really don't care. Just give me an aircraft to fly and pay me. It can be mine, yours or anyone elses. |
Well boys, let me remind you that us postmerger (I mean post red/green merger) NWA guys told you about all this when you were making fun of all of our arbritrations.
Most of those red/green cases had to do with what was new and what was a replacement. Everytime something "new" showed up on the property those guys got to get their checkbooks out. Oh, and this is why our groups are collecting money from us as we speak. The only thing that will save us big $$$ is the suprisingly short fences. I would HOPE that the company would communicate what the airplanes are when they announcement them so we wouldn't be at each other's throats over them. Oh wait, they DON'T WANT a unified group going into section 6 talks in 2012. I should be gone in late '13, so if you guys want to shoot inside the circle......knock yourselves out. Ferd |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 605843)
Spot on......
Mr Bloch... you sir, are an idiot. :mad: |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 605692)
I really don't want to get in this furball.. but... which 777s would you give to the NWA side of the house, and which ones would go to DAL?
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 605692)
Since DAL still has orders and options for the 777, so how would you determine which ones would then belong to the NWA pilots...
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 605692)
especially since the 787 is still not a real airplane?
Carl |
Originally Posted by maddogmax
(Post 605931)
OK. Does that mean the union can negotiate to change the seniority list as awarded? It is all part of the same award.
The union cannot negotiate away the fences and keep the seniority numbers. Nor can the union negotiate away the seniority numbers and keep the fences. They are one in the same. The seniority numbers were calculated by Bloch's team based on fences. We could negotiate an entirely new SLI. There's a far better chance of Rosie O'Donnell being hit on by a man before that happens. Carl |
please forgive me if i don't include myself in these ridiculous discussions. Thanks!! ;)
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 605828)
If I ever see Richard Bloch, I'll ask him WTFWYT with ignoring status quo and using future attrition as an equity while ignoring aircraft retirements and growth?
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 605828)
The very truth of what I write is evident as those issues (aircraft retirements, who gets the growth, and base moves) are the most common topics on the web boards. It is self evident that the award did not recognize status quo and the majority of pilots are now out of position for their number.
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(Post 605828)
Frankly, I will be surprised if Richard Bloch is selected again by an organized labor group. He went so far off the reservation that he is now considered highly unpredictable.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 606017)
Easy. The 777 orders that replace real 747-400's and 787 orders go to former NWA. The ones that don't...don't.
Orders and options aren't real airplanes. That's right. Orders and options are not real airplanes. Carl |
Originally Posted by Opus
(Post 605688)
How's NewK stirring the pot? If Dal takes the previous Nwa 787 orders and turns them into a great deal for 777 orders how's is that not a replacement when this would have only been available to Dal from the Nwa order? Thus, Dal would never have been able to negotiate a deal from Boeing without Nwa 787 order. Second, if Dal strong arms boeing and returns the leased 747 during a time period when Boeing would have trouble placing those aircraft elsewhere and gets another great deal for 777s from boeing then once again that would only be available because of what Nwa had. I could also bring up the opportunities that the Asia flying will bring etc.
Let's not stir the pot with name calling like "weasel". Nobody is trying to "weasel" anybody. The sli is done and name calling is not going to help our cause. No one is going to try and take over the 777s you have right now on your property or the orders you have on the books, however if Dal trades in the 400s for 777s you can't tell me that all the dal-n guys flying the 400 should go to smaller equipment while all the dal-s guys move to dtw and fly the 777s? You think that is fair? Come on, be real. And give NewK an apology. All he is trying to do is keep the peace here. |
I don't mean this as mean as it sounds, but you southies seem to take great glee in pointing out how poor, lacking, crap, on and on the 787 is. Us northies wish they could get the problems worked out, as the new innovations should make it the future of the industry.
Makes me wonder if Delta had some on order premerger you guys would like the jet too and wish they could get their act together, just like us. Anyway, I'm starting to wonder if the whole 787 thingie is like defending the "after takeoff checkLIST". It was our idea, so it had to be nuts.:eek::D Ferd Mostly tongue in cheek, but for sure do'en a little sibling ball busting |
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