Not trying to change the subject on future contract and etc. I was commuting in this morning on Compass and all the PA's from the cockpit were " blah blah thank you for flying DELTA...." no mention of Delta Connection. Did I miss a memo, can DCI avoid using Delta Connection?

 

Hey Scambo........I would take offense to your calling me egocentric if I weren't so important and right all of the time.....

BG

 

Thanks Carl. The more I see it, the more I want some backbone when it comes to future contracts. The FNWA guys seem to have the right idea. I want a plan, not throwing up your arms and saying "OOOPS, we'll get um next time." I want some this time, I want some LUV, plus....


THAT SHOULD BE OUR BAG STICKER (no more cases)---I WANT SOME LUV, PLUS

 

We're not talking about what is going to be in the union's contract comparison. We're talking about YOUR statements that we can't compare ourselves to these airlines. In the case of LUV, you say we can't compare ourselves to them because they have a different business model. Likewise with UPS and FDX because you claim they are in different industries.

Again it's not the union's comparison sheet...it's YOUR statements saying that we can't compare ourselves. It's made much worse because of your position as a union official.

And this obvious false opinion of yours is what we're talking about here. Not your subsequent attempt to divert and claim we're talking about the union's comparison document.

Carl

 

Slow,

How about using Air France and KLM, since they are our closest JV partners? We do the same thing they do, flying a lot of the same overlapping routes. We don't have as many widebodies, but it's a start.

I disagee about not using SWA. They are buying Airtran, a hub and spoke carrier, and they will get the SWA wages too. They may ditch some of the Airtran practices, like redeyes, but overall they will be increasing SWA's costs via the merger, and that brings them up to our level. They aren't a LCC anymore.

Yes, my TACA remark was TIC, because many in ALPA would rather compare us to TACA and say how much better we have compared to them, so they don't have to fight as hard and try to RESTORE as much as they can for us. Same with using UAL, LCC, and AMR. None of them have a productive plan like we do. We had a fast SOC, $2 billion in perceived synergies per year, and true Worldwide Ops with a large domestic presence. We pilots are also a bargain, and the extra savings we give them is being used to fund other projects and workforces. It's time for our bargaining unit to fight for what we deserve, and promote us like we deserve every penny we are asking for. I fly the MD88 and I work hard, but when I hear these rumors or read your posts, I feel like Dalpa treats me like an Air Wisconsin F-27 FO back in the late 80s. Someday it will get better.......right? I want to be treated like a pilot working for the best airline in the world, and being paid like it too. Work on it.

 

Sorry for the confusion. Let's just say that I completely disagree with the original post about the effectiveness of MEC confidentiality agreements.

And yes, I do know about the first tsquare and no, I'm not Carl. :-)

T

 

How about we complete the statement in context (in red above), groundskeeper. Attending and throwing parties isn't the only reason LUV has been successful. They've made some very good profits too.

 

Report it to ALPA... oh wait...

 

Totally invalid comparison Bill. Air France begins with an "A", Delta begins with a "D". Same problem exists with KLM.

Just thought I'd save you the time slowplay.

Carl

 

I am told that the NC is trying to get comparisons for AF and KLM, but it's a longer term project as their application of rules and costing models are completely different. Plus they're contracts are in French and Dutch.

Again, SWA is in the comparison, but Airtran is not.