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Old 07-11-2011 | 05:40 PM
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How about we complete the statement in context (in red above), groundskeeper. Attending and throwing parties isn't the only reason LUV has been successful. They've made some very good profits too.
I used your entire statement and in context. You started off claiming that "old school" unionism resulted in lower pay rates. When I pointed out UPS, you quickly changed your premise from one of "old school" unionism to one of a profitability comparison. Your highlighting of the words passenger and passenger airline are meaningless to your obvious deflection of the subject that YOU began with. That is, from "old school" unionism to one of profitability.

Again, I'm not the only one who notices.

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Old 07-11-2011 | 05:43 PM
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I am told that the NC is trying to get comparisons for AF and KLM, but it's a longer term project as their application of rules and costing models are completely different. Plus they're contracts are in French and Dutch..
Wow! That can't be their excuse. That's even lamer than my reasons why we can't compare them!

The pay tables are in French...how could we EVER decipher that!

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Old 07-11-2011 | 05:45 PM
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And yes, I do know about the first tsquare and no, I'm not Carl. :-)

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I find it "odd" to say the least that new guys seem to find it funny to imitate established members.

Hints oh copycat one

Ferd <==== waiting for the faux FTB

PS I think it's the same guy. But who.....or is it whom
Old 07-11-2011 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
I am told that the NC is trying to get comparisons for AF and KLM, but it's a longer term project as their application of rules and costing models are completely different. Plus they're contracts are in French and Dutch.

Again, SWA is in the comparison, but Airtran is not.
send Ferd, he'll get those numbers...



As to SWA:

Old 07-11-2011 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I find it "odd" to say the least that new guys seem to find it funny to imitate established members.

Hints oh copycat one

Ferd <==== waiting for the faux FTB

PS I think it's the same guy. But who.....or is it whom
Yeah, let me guess? Forgot 2 Bid.


Speaking of that... crap... I've got to go bid...
Old 07-11-2011 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Wow! That can't be their excuse. That's even lamer than my reasons why we can't compare them!

The pay tables are in French...how could we EVER decipher that!

Carl
I agree that your argument throughout this string is lame, Carl.

The numbers are in French and Dutch as well. Payrates aren't close to the whole story, Carl. In the case of Ryan Air, the report of high pay didn't paint a nearly complete or accurate picture (no retirement, PFT, etc). The contract comparison reflects actual language, a no groundskeeper spin zone, so it can be seen in context.

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Old 07-11-2011 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Wow! That can't be their excuse. That's even lamer than my reasons why we can't compare them!

The pay tables are in French...how could we EVER decipher that!

Carl
Reminds me of that CNN anchor who when a guest said "9 meters..." he said "what's that in English?"

"9 meters."

Rick Sanchez I think was his name?

BTW, with Europe burning, I really believe only Ferd can go in there and get the AF/KLM numbers:

Old 07-11-2011 | 05:58 PM
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Someone once told me UPS begged DAL to run its aviation department when they got into it, DAL refused. And that DHL offered to pay us to fly airplanes empty if they could have the cargo bay below or something to that effect. We didn't. Nobody's fault here in management, union, DPA or seniority list, just if true it's a colossal fail on the managements of the past given the propensity to outsource why not be the outsourced department? They should know that's where the money is.

Anyways, how about this? Combi's? We could do that on a lot of planes couldn't we?



We could even bring back the -10. That's right. The DC-10.
The reason for NOT buying a Combi 747, as given by management at a previous company, is that you cannot get a combi certified by the FAA unless the Cargo is FORWARD of the passenger cabin. Foreign carriers apparently have no such restriction when dealing with their respective government agencies.

We were told that studies deemed this limitation to be unacceptable to passengers, even though it's supposedly safer, and that it caused some problems with flight crew/cabin crew interaction.

There was a rumor that we were going to lease some Euro certified combi's(747-300), but that never panned out.
Old 07-11-2011 | 06:06 PM
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The reason for NOT buying a Combi 747, as given by management at a previous company, is that you cannot get a combi certified by the FAA unless the Cargo is FORWARD of the passenger cabin. Foreign carriers apparently have no such restriction when dealing with their respective government agencies.

We were told that studies deemed this limitation to be unacceptable to passengers, even though it's supposedly safer, and that it caused some problems with flight crew/cabin crew interaction.

There was a rumor that we were going to lease some Euro certified combi's(747-300), but that never panned out.
Well that ruins that. 743s would be cool though.

What is it that on an RTO will send all of the cargo through the passenger cabin? Then what does the FAA thinks happens with a FedEx or UPS B727, A310, B757, B777, DC8, B767, DC10 or MD11 with the cockpit ahead of the cargo?

Sucks. I want a combi.
Old 07-11-2011 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

The pay tables are in French...how could we EVER decipher that!

Carl
Carl, relax or you're gonna have a heart attack and all of us will have to move up a number. He was jerking your chain.
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