I agree. Fifi does woofer-dill a lot more the fluff & 757.

 

The DC-9 doesn't wiggle.

 

Good point, we have outsourced what should be the first Captain job for those of hired in the late 90's/Early 2000's. I'm personally looking at being here in excess of 17 years before I can be a bottom reserve Capt on our smallest mainline equipment in the most junior base. I might not be on B scale, but I bet my 17 years of FO pay will be significantly less than 17 years of pay for the average guy hired at the start of the B scale.

 

Scoop,

I won't argue with anything you say above. I was just making the point that there are a lot of guys (1000's actually) at similar points in their careers as these guys are now that lost way more due to the B Scale. I wish it were different but it's not.

Yes, we are all definitely on a defacto B-scale now. Hopefully that will change with our next contract.

Denny

 

It instead causes the earth to tremble from the "sound of freedom."

 

I understand what you're saying Denny, but you endured that with your fellow B scale hires. I make less then a newhire hired post merger.

 

I guess my point is that we are dealing with a negotiated contract that is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. We all would like to go back in time and prevent the inequities of past contracts be they the B scale, DC contributions, outsourcing, loss of the DB plan (for south guys), etc. Unfortunately that is just not possible. All we can do now is try to correct as much as we can in the next contract. This is a fatalist approach but I just don't see any way the company will agree to address the DC inequity even if it gets past the MEC.

Denny

 

I like the jet, do not get me wrong. I was taken aback on how tight I was in the seat that is all. Oh and yes, I would fly it in a heartbeat. I may actually bid it depending on how the chips fall.

 

Johnso,

First, let me say that I do think that you should be getting the same DC contribution. That's not the point though.

You are enduring this with your fellow NW hires of the same period as I did with my fellow B-scalers. I guess I don't understand your point. I made less last year as a 7ER Capt. than I did as a MD 11 FO in 1998. We've all taken a shot on the chin because of bankruptcy. It sucks!!

I'm assuming, in your last sentence, that you mean you make less in your DC contribution than a new hire.

Again Johnso, I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's just the way it is. Most likely this group of guys is just going to have to suck it up and take it on chin like we all did with the B scale. I just don't see anything getting resolved with this prior to Jan. 2012 when everyone will have the same contribution. Trying to go back and recover this contribution from past years ain't gonna happen. (My fatalist view)

Denny

 

The NWA union decided how to hand out that money. Dalpa negotiated a agreement where the company would provide you full funding over most of your career. The fact that your prior union did not feel its a priority is something for another discussion. I simply explained the facts of why there was not immediate pay parity on the DC plan. The fact is the former NWA pilot group will receive more cash toward retirement funding then the former Delta pilots.
This was actually Delta's first merger where there was immediate parity on pay. In the prior mergers there was a 3 year phase on on pay rates. Man would you be upset if that were the case!!!!