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05-12-2011 | 12:43 PM
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Denny,
Wisely said. There are a lot of inequities in this career - not much we can do about it. How about the poor guy who turned 60 a week before the age 65 was passed - he and all his peers were effectively boned. Just as the guys who turned 60 one week after the rule change effectively received a 5 year windfall. Fair - Hell no, but as a wise man once said, "...That's just the way it is."
Besides - did I just go through a warp in the space-time continuum? Whats all this North-South B.S.? Am I back in 2009? Look around guys, we all took it up the pooper (so to speak).
Scoop
Wisely said. There are a lot of inequities in this career - not much we can do about it. How about the poor guy who turned 60 a week before the age 65 was passed - he and all his peers were effectively boned. Just as the guys who turned 60 one week after the rule change effectively received a 5 year windfall. Fair - Hell no, but as a wise man once said, "...That's just the way it is."
Besides - did I just go through a warp in the space-time continuum? Whats all this North-South B.S.? Am I back in 2009? Look around guys, we all took it up the pooper (so to speak).
Scoop
It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".
That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.
05-12-2011 | 01:02 PM
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I guess some of you guys just don't get it, this should be a 'no brainer'. We didn't get any of the NWA targeted pension $. This was an oversight that occurred during the PWA / merger saga. I can't believe you guys are saying we just have to "suck it up" and it's ok for a 2007 hire to get less DC contribution than a 2011 new hire. This was not done intentionally by ALPA but rather an oversight in the PWA. We were just kind of forgotten about.
It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".
That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.
It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".
That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.
I am not sure what you mean by no brainer. It would take cash to fix the situation. The company is not likely to pony up cash mid contract unless they see some advantage to do so. I got exactly zero from the Delta targeted DC plan. The said my frozen plan would cover me. The frozen plan has since been terminated and no one went back to change the oversight and make me whole. I understand its just the way the ball bounced. I don't whine over and over again about it even though we were promised if the DB terminated any follow on DC would be re targeted to make us whole. It never happened such is life. I got over it.
05-12-2011 | 01:16 PM
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I am not sure what you mean by no brainer. It would take cash to fix the situation. The company is not likely to pony up cash mid contract unless they see some advantage to do so. I got exactly zero from the Delta targeted DC plan. The said my frozen plan would cover me. The frozen plan has since been terminated and no one went back to change the oversight and make me whole. I understand its just the way the ball bounced. I don't whine over and over again about it even though we were promised if the DB terminated any follow on DC would be re targeted to make us whole. It never happened such is life. I got over it.
05-12-2011 | 01:18 PM
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How much would it cost? Probably not that much in the long run...but by not fixing the problem it will cost much more in the longer run. JMHO
05-12-2011 | 01:51 PM
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05-12-2011 | 02:48 PM
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NewK, tip of the hat in your direction. Good effort at taking the trophy from Qantas.
05-12-2011 | 02:52 PM
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05-12-2011 | 02:53 PM
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05-12-2011 | 03:04 PM
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I guess some of you guys just don't get it, this should be a 'no brainer'. We didn't get any of the NWA targeted pension $. This was an oversight that occurred during the PWA / merger saga. I can't believe you guys are saying we just have to "suck it up" and it's ok for a 2007 hire to get less DC contribution than a 2011 new hire. This was not done intentionally by ALPA but rather an oversight in the PWA. We were just kind of forgotten about.
It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".
That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.
It makes me realize how many of my brothers will vote a certain way (like sell out scope) and just say to the less fortunate junior guys - "suck it up, I've had to do it in my career too".
That my brothers is the philosophy that has tarnished this profession and made our union weak.
Do we pass a resolution that targets me receiving the senior FNW pilots frozen DB?
Do we pass a resolution that requires any pilot receiving PBGC money to reduce his monthly payrate by an equal amount - or mandates his retirement?
I'm just asking as a fly in the vaseline...Not because I dont agree with the resolution.
05-12-2011 | 03:09 PM
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Johnso,
First, let me say that I do think that you should be getting the same DC contribution. That's not the point though.
You are enduring this with your fellow NW hires of the same period as I did with my fellow B-scalers. I guess I don't understand your point. I made less last year as a 7ER Capt. than I did as a MD 11 FO in 1998. We've all taken a shot on the chin because of bankruptcy. It sucks!!
I'm assuming, in your last sentence, that you mean you make less in your DC contribution than a new hire.
Again Johnso, I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's just the way it is. Most likely this group of guys is just going to have to suck it up and take it on chin like we all did with the B scale. I just don't see anything getting resolved with this prior to Jan. 2012 when everyone will have the same contribution. Trying to go back and recover this contribution from past years ain't gonna happen. (My fatalist view)
Denny
First, let me say that I do think that you should be getting the same DC contribution. That's not the point though.
You are enduring this with your fellow NW hires of the same period as I did with my fellow B-scalers. I guess I don't understand your point. I made less last year as a 7ER Capt. than I did as a MD 11 FO in 1998. We've all taken a shot on the chin because of bankruptcy. It sucks!!
I'm assuming, in your last sentence, that you mean you make less in your DC contribution than a new hire.
Again Johnso, I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's just the way it is. Most likely this group of guys is just going to have to suck it up and take it on chin like we all did with the B scale. I just don't see anything getting resolved with this prior to Jan. 2012 when everyone will have the same contribution. Trying to go back and recover this contribution from past years ain't gonna happen. (My fatalist view)
Denny
Denny,
It just bums me out when fellow pilots preach unity, but shrug things like lesser DC contributions & B scales. If we are going to be unified, we all need to be on the same playing field. It just doesn't seem like that will happen though. Bankruptcy really farked so many people by making our pilot groups so different.
I don't believe that you always have to give something to get something. I think our current union national president has a lot of guys believing that one always has to give something to get something. It took a fight to get him to ask the company to get the pay system changed, & turns out it cost us nothing. The company agreed to change it no problem.
I guess what I'm trying to say is overall I'm happy. It's really not even the money, it's the principle. We got thrown under the bus, & it stinks.
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