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Old 05-28-2011 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie

BTW: what's up with the North's 757-300 ACARS? I'm getting Corpus Tunnel from all the keystrokes required just to get ATIS and incoming messages.
Oh, No No daddie......that's your ACARS mask on the 757-300s. Look at the 737 fleet page to see what it will be......someday

Lot less button push'en go'en on
Old 05-28-2011 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Oh, No No daddie......that's your ACARS mask on the 757-300s. Look at the 737 fleet page to see what it will be......someday

Lot less button push'en go'en on

Figures Delta would add their touch of "technology." I guess an iCrew and Travelnet app for iPhone and Adroid is no where in the future? AA and UAL/CAL have this. I sent an AA link to our Delta Technology department for their review. Their response, WOW, simple, clean, fast, but we don't have the resources to make one for us. Like there are any seats anywhere anyway...

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Old 05-28-2011 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
It's a new acars mask that combines features of north and south acars.
Must be on the ER. Havent seen it on the big poodle.
Old 05-28-2011 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
I don't think I said anything close to what you're putting forth. Simply that if you look at the amount of money generated from a typical flight the expense of crew is comes in right above the bottled water. But hey, don't consider it; look at it all from the eyes of management and be happy with that perspective if you prefer.

Good grief Alice. I just wanna know where you get all the numbers that make up the profitability or lack thereof which you used to do your back of the napkin math to state that the flight is profitable. Show me your work. Other than that, it's just weak conjecture on your part that the flight is profitable, much less that it is raking in money. Or I guess it could be that you have never heard of yield management?
Old 05-28-2011 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
That is what gets me. We get assurances that it doesn't violate our contract but our reps are not telling us exactly what the lawyers told them. I want to hear WHY it doesn't violate our section 1.
Originally Posted by DeadHead
Good question, I would also like to know the exact "legal" answer to this.

The conspiracy-theorist side of me tends to think it has something to do with ALPA courting the Republic pilots.
The legal answer is that it DOES violate our Section 1 but we have not enforced it in the past with AA Eagle at LAX and the lawyers claim that "past practices" will doom us in the System Board. They might be right. But now we'll never know.

Management's argument:
How to Win Past Practice Grievances, Chapter One
Old 05-28-2011 | 09:26 AM
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Old 05-28-2011 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Nosmo King
Scary excerpt from AF447 BEA Report

When the captain returned to the cockpit, 1.5 minutes after the autopilot and auto-thrust had initially disengaged, the Airbus 330 was at 35,000 ft with an angle of attack greater than 40 degrees, losing altitude at 10,000 feet per minute, which is consistent with an aerodynamic condition known as deep stall in which the tail stalls, leaving the airplane in an aerodynamic state that may be a difficult or impossible from which to recover. Less than thirty seconds later, the co-pilot at the controls said, “I don’t have any more indications,” while the other co-pilot said, “we have no valid indications.”
Air France 447 Stalled at High Altitude, Official BEA Report Confirms | Flying Magazine | The World?s Most Widely Read Aviation Magazine

Full report here: http://www.bea.aero/fr/enquetes/vol....mai2011.en.pdf
Old 05-28-2011 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Good grief Alice. I just wanna know where you get all the numbers that make up the profitability or lack thereof which you used to do your back of the napkin math to state that the flight is profitable. Show me your work. Other than that, it's just weak conjecture on your part that the flight is profitable, much less that it is raking in money. Or I guess it could be that you have never heard of yield management?
That was part of my point: enough with the memos on fuel hedging. Show me one on what a flight that charges $350 to $650 a seat that is typically 90% full and let me know what the revenue and costs are. I tend to think there's a profit being made, but since I don't have the proof you can go on calling it conjecture and assume there's a loss taking place. Crikey, talk about being overly sensitive. Go take a Prozac.
Old 05-28-2011 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Airline management collusion. On the sundrenched beaches somewhere, these guys plot their way forward.
That's how our companies have been so insanely profitable!

Oh, that's right...airlines have lost more money than they've ever made since the inception of this ridiculous "business."
Old 05-28-2011 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The legal answer is that it DOES violate our Section 1 but we have not enforced it in the past with AA Eagle at LAX and the lawyers claim that "past practices" will doom us in the System Board. They might be right. But now we'll never know.

Management's argument:
How to Win Past Practice Grievances, Chapter One
This whole thing is so underwhelming isn't it?

It's like a pilot who's run an aircraft off the end of the runway twice telling you how to fly your plane. It makes no sense to say these are the best lawyers in the business when they wrote our section 1, a colossal jewel of what not to do, and then don't even bother to enforce it anyways.

Who in the hell does ALPA have as lawyers?!?!?

If they don't try or win this redefine the definition of air carrier so as to beat back RAH then I sure as hell hope nobody has the gall to tell us to do anything but demand we go to court and have them fired.

BTW, my counter to the American Eagle/AMR thing would be to say AE was never Delta Connection carrier other than to serve as a codeshare in the same vein as Hawaiian. According to the 10K AE is a revenue proration agreement and DCI's are capacity purchase agreements, enough for me to say they have always operated different then RAH.
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