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Old 05-12-2011 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Chaos? Negotiations were off and on for 5 months.

A few more questions then I'm going to bed:

1) What percent was going to the targeted NW guys prior to the merger? Answer: 5%
2) What percent was going to the non targeted NW guys prior to the merger? Answer: 5%
3) What percent is going to the targeted NW guys now? Answer: 8%
4) What percent is going to the non targeted NW guys now? Answer 8%

If your argument is that the non targeted guys need more DC, because they don't have a DB or the MP3, why didn't you guys give them more in the first place, before the merger ever occurred?

I'm bored, and moving on. Talk to you later.
Might want to check your numbers. Try 2%.
Old 05-12-2011 | 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Let's hope so, your rationale doesn't make much sense to me.

And I'm not a C20 guy, so no idea where the resolution would be found. But as for the issue, let me try again. ALL of the NWA guys had a DC plan - some were targeted, some were not. ALL of the DAL guys had a DC plan - none were targeted. EVERYONE got a 1% increase in 2010, EVERYONE got another 1% increase in 2011, and EVERYONE gets another 1% increase in 2012. That seems like the ultimate fair deal to me. ALL of the NWA guys were gonna reach parity either during 2012 or at the end of 2012, depending on the DB funding. That seems like the ultimate fair deal to me, at least among the NWA guys. We could argue that DC parity should have been on day 1, but its my understanding your MEC demanded pay parity, and DAL was unwilling to do both. I could be wrong.
So we make less then are pre merger DAL counter parts, & that's fair?

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Now, a tiny sliver of NWA guys get parity before all of their counterparts.
Explain to me how making the same amount of $$$ is pay parity? You scream unity, but absolutely fail to support it in this instance. You know that we were hostages in this situation. We were on probation, & unable to vote on the PWA. We didnt even have the opportunity to elect thise who represented us. Now we simply ask to be brought to pay equal to rest of our fellow pilots, & you call it pay parity? Some unity.


Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Then this is even sillier. If the gate agent isn't honoring seniority among employees when assigning seats that's wrong, and should be fixed. But if pilots haven't checked in by 30 minutes early, whose fault is that? Get there 10 minutes earlier and check in. THEN if you don't get assigned seats properly, call your rep.

These are the words of a lineholder who is out of touch with the reserve world. Fact of the matter is I've had scheduling build a DH on the last flight of the night that is a connection of less then 30 minutes. DAL DH's reserves more then any airline I know. I saw a friend on reserve DH DTW-ATL-CHS, then fly CHS-ATL, then DH ATL-DTW. That was a day trip. Tight connections on oversold planes. We need a better system.
Old 05-12-2011 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Ya'll still think longevity pay is a bad idea? What's the trickle down on this gonna be? How many paycuts will result?
None, because there has not been an official announcement. Even if this is true, it will probably change 10 times before the date comes.
Old 05-12-2011 | 06:20 AM
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Approved Personal Drop Vs Personal Drop? What's the difference? Can someone point me in the right direction, I am looking to drop a trip if I get screwed on my schedule next month. Thanks
Old 05-12-2011 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Hey Ed, so you get 3% less DC than a DAL new hire?

How many merger equity shares did he get compared to you?

Just curious.
EXCUSE ME??!!!! What kind of GARBAGE is this?? How do you even try to justify in your head that this is relevant to the argument? A current DAL new hire was not involved in the merger, or making it work & therefore was never entitled to any shares.

To further shoot down this ridiculous attempt of a defense, what about a PMDAL hire who was in class around 3/08 and not only receives a higher DC but ALSO received the equity shares? How do you justify that?
Old 05-12-2011 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
So we make less then are pre merger DAL counter parts, & that's fair?



Explain to me how making the same amount of $$$ is pay parity? You scream unity, but absolutely fail to support it in this instance. You know that we were hostages in this situation. We were on probation, & unable to vote on the PWA. We didnt even have the opportunity to elect thise who represented us. Now we simply ask to be brought to pay equal to rest of our fellow pilots, & you call it pay parity? Some unity.





These are the words of a lineholder who is out of touch with the reserve world. Fact of the matter is I've had scheduling build a DH on the last flight of the night that is a connection of less then 30 minutes. DAL DH's reserves more then any airline I know. I saw a friend on reserve DH DTW-ATL-CHS, then fly CHS-ATL, then DH ATL-DTW. That was a day trip. Tight connections on oversold planes. We need a better system.

You have either forgotten or simply are choosing to omit the ongoing funding requirements for the NWA defined benefit plan. That is the reason there was no parity at Day 1. The funding requirements are huge for the DB plan. When all the NWA pilots are on the same DC plan as the Delta pilots there will still be a large funding requirement to the DB plan. In the end the former NWA pilots will be getting a larger share of each dollar Delta spends for pilot retirements.
Old 05-12-2011 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Amish Pilot
Approved Personal Drop Vs Personal Drop? What's the difference? Can someone point me in the right direction, I am looking to drop a trip if I get screwed on my schedule next month. Thanks
Don't have an answer to this, but since you brought it up I was curious how guys have handled getting the time off for when there pregnant wife gets close to delivering.
Old 05-12-2011 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You have either forgotten or simply are choosing to omit the ongoing funding requirements for the NWA defined benefit plan. That is the reason there was no parity at Day 1. The funding requirements are huge for the DB plan. When all the NWA pilots are on the same DC plan as the Delta pilots there will still be a large funding requirement to the DB plan. In the end the former NWA pilots will be getting a larger share of each dollar Delta spends for pilot retirements.
And perhaps you are simply choosing to omit the fact that I GET NADA from the NWA defined benefit plan!!!!! NOTHING! ZERO! ZILCH!!

So you support punishing me for something I am neither involved in, nor have any benefit from. You chose to support lower pay for fellow DALPA pilots. Some unity.

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Old 05-12-2011 | 07:08 AM
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APD and PD are both unpaid. You can PD whenever you want but the reserve coverage has to be sufficient. APD, the reserve coverage can be much lower, but you only get one every year (your hire anniv year). I think it is up to a 4 day trip or 5 res days, not sure.
Old 05-12-2011 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Um let's put it this way, I could not get comfortable in the sucker. The seats were very close together. Literally I could not get to my seat without using putting one leg on the seat pans themselves.

It does have a wider cross section, but the 88 has more leg room. The seats themselves are better made though. Overall a better design, but man that back end wags more than a 757/767. Ugh.
You just lost ALL of your credibility.
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