Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-20-2011, 06:00 PM
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07-20-2011, 06:01 PM
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Oh crap, I've managed to tick off Carl too, in the same day.
Don't know why, but that's just funny, don't care who you are.
1% of 11,000 is 110. Who are the other 109? (double crap, I'm going to get punched in the nose & he's bigger than me)
Don't know why, but that's just funny, don't care who you are.
1% of 11,000 is 110. Who are the other 109? (double crap, I'm going to get punched in the nose & he's bigger than me)
07-20-2011, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by brakechatter
And when your name is given to me, before I even know it, by guys who are eager to get their buds on with Delta, no I don't believe that they had an
agenda. Even more obviously, you do.
agenda. Even more obviously, you do.
Originally Posted by brakechatter
You still think that this has to do with class of pilot, LOL.
07-20-2011, 06:08 PM
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I love this argument from the DALPA true believers...If this flying that ASA and CMR did was only "on loan", then why did we do it while YOUR fellow Delta pilots were on furlough? You didn't "loan it out"...You SOLD it to increase your pay and workrules....Come on brakechatter...call a spade a spade...
Read MY contract, comprehend it, and get back to me. All flying performed BY Delta is subject to the Delta PWA. End of story. How that flying is doled out is ultimately between Delta and the Delta pilots. The tide is shifting here at Delta, and I can't fathom your interest in your luxury job with all that time off and all that pay. Why worry about our little inbred soiree?!?
What do you care if we trade a little flying for pay or vice versa? I mean, you're safe, right? I thought it was all about you?
This discussion has been fascinating.
07-20-2011, 06:14 PM
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Read MY contract, comprehend it, and get back to me. All flying performed BY Delta is subject to the Delta PWA. End of story. How that flying is doled out is ultimately between Delta and the Delta pilots. The tide is shifting here at Delta, and I can't fathom your interest in your luxury job with all that time off and all that pay. Why worry about our little inbred soiree?!?
What do you care if we trade a little flying for pay or vice versa? I mean, you're safe, right? I thought it was all about you?
What do you care if we trade a little flying for pay or vice versa? I mean, you're safe, right? I thought it was all about you?
07-20-2011, 06:17 PM
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Read my original post, I said this is what the DPA's attorney has said, I did not say this was DPA's position. If you think that that there aren't any DPA members that want to change the seniority list and think DPA is the vehicle for that, then you are smoking crack. Come hang out in the DTW lounge for a few hours and you will see. DPA still can be all things to all people, because they have never had to stick to anything they have written or said, they can just change it at a whim.
Note again, I never said this was DPA's official position, I have seen the blurb on the website. My point was and remains, the DPA attorney has said that negotiating changed seniority lists was like negotiating crew meals and the DOH is the gold standard. I have provided proof of both of those statements. This is not an opinion, it is cold hard fact.
The DPA spin machine is out in force today, I think I hit a nerve.
Note again, I never said this was DPA's official position, I have seen the blurb on the website. My point was and remains, the DPA attorney has said that negotiating changed seniority lists was like negotiating crew meals and the DOH is the gold standard. I have provided proof of both of those statements. This is not an opinion, it is cold hard fact.
The DPA spin machine is out in force today, I think I hit a nerve.
Alpha;
Its a lawyers job to fight the fight his client wants. USAPAs fight is for DOH. Their lawyer is fighting that fight for them.
We all know this has nothing to do with DPA except that DPA has retained Seham.
When are ALPAs lawyers going to fight the DALPA fight and (at least) try to ditch RAH? You are sounding a little ridiculous and afraid.
And I'm no member of the DPA spin machine. I'm just sick of paying 1.9% of my pay for company kiss azzes that try to portray themselves as defenders of the realm.
07-20-2011, 06:21 PM
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Hey Joe ... Brake was not responsible for the furloughs. He was taught "outsourcing is good" for the same reasons you quoted.This has probably been a worth while discussion of history and the Comair bogeyman, but lets not turn this board into FightInfo (or even the DALPA board for that matter).
07-20-2011, 06:28 PM
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07-20-2011, 06:30 PM
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If you can give me a quote and date, I will personally join the anti DPA fight with more fervor than you can imagine. This would totally invalidate anything they have ever talked about. If this is yet another of your scare tactics, then it is worth the paper it is printed on. Names, dates, and citations... other than that and this has zero credibility.
It's not about scare tactics, but purely about logic and observation. I don't think any such group is ever born without an agenda, without people wanting to be in power TO EFFECT A SPECIFIC ACTION.
I don't think there are groups out there who are altruistic enough to want to invest this level of energy, simply for the purpose of having better representation. There are plenty of people that want better representation, and plenty of people with a variety of issues that they might believe alternative representation would address, but these are not the customers for this product, simply the tools to implement whatever it's supposed to do.
The very fact the "goals" are vague enough to attract naive people to brand X, or to push angry people away from the standard product, tells me all I need to know about staying away from it. If they can't honestly tell me what "we" would be trying to accomplish, then I'm pretty sure it's some thing that's going to be done to me that I'm not going to like.
When you look at the USAPA precedent, it's pretty obvious the difference is in numbers: USAPA had an obvious path because of the majority of Easties, and DPA doesn't. It has to fudge. USAPA could be clear about making CERTAIN enough Easties understood that they had the numbers to gang-rape the AWA pilots, but DPA has to give you a little soft music, and let you do the intellectual equivalent of slipping something in your own drink, before they can get to you.
07-20-2011, 06:31 PM
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Total BS. You weren't there, I was. After the usual SLI stuff calmed down we got along great. Still do. I have many friends that came from Republic. Great guys who know how to have fun.
Carl
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