Why would there be documentation? COMAIR and ASA were just following the process, right? There had to be a PID prior to documentation, right?
These "inexperienced" MECs, with the lawyers and the RJDC watching closely, needed the commitment of a PID prior to documenting their fair version of the list. After all, they were just following the checklist. Once the commitment of a PID came down, and it was correctly decided that napkins bearing the Delta logo do NOT constitute operational integration, I
suspect it would have been quite obvious just what the "MECs" had in mind with regards to fair integration. As we have seen, nobody has any
idea just what an arbitrator will do-something some people, NOT to
include CG and MP, have told me that this is exactly what the "MECs", the RJDC, and the RJDC lawyers were counting on.

Interesting how you would even want to associate with Delta pilots, let alone have the desire to become one of us.

Water meet bridge. (Bar too!)

Lessons learned, and if given the opportunity to restore flying lets not try to go down the same doomed road.

Not even close, brother. There is a correct version, and an incorrect version. It's more like apples meet oranges.

Although you know that I agree with your restorative flying sentence. Seems as if I heard that same idea in a couple of recent campaigns

Watch out for that MOU 16 though.
That thing burned me today on the Reserves Available fine print.
They have an escape clause for "summer weekends". (jun,jul,aug)

Of course you did.


Reality is that we need to find a way to increase the fulcrum we use as leverage. Step one is to fly more of your flying. That creates instant leverage.

As for the past, I prefer to leave the past in the past and work for future results. I want to take this profession forward. There are lessons to be learned, no matter whose version of history we choose to look at. At the end of the day we still did not integrate any part of the DCI operation. Look at the failures, and when the next opportunity arises, look at how we can go in to the opportunity devoid of ego. Ego kills more opportunities than anything.

Sparkler,

That is extremely offensive to suggest that all 5000 fNWA pilots support DPA. It is also offensive to suggest that the fDAL pilots who do couldn't figure out they don't like ALPA all on their own.

DPA fails on it's own lack of merits but commentary like yours, likely from an ALPA operative probably wins more converts than it turns away.

Brake,

You're wrong, as is your time line. Were any of your new hire FO sources on any Committees, or even employed in 1999-2000? Most of the first hand sources are now dead, or retired.

Anything done by a committee, or coalition, or legal effort generates documentation. With regard to this subject, there are boxes. While there is an honest debate we can make about the merits of "operational integration," the resurrection of the Comair bogeyman is a non sequitur. It just did not happen.

The RJDC was a response to ALPA locking ASA & Comair out of scope negotiations concerning the flying they performed permitted under our PWA. That did not happen until after the denial of the PID and after the ratification of contract 2000.

They would have had no reason to retain Counsel prior to those events taking place, which would have put their creation at very late 2001 or early 2002.When people tell you these stories, you can point out how that would require the "RJDC" to some how know the future four years in advance and have the money to retain "lawyers." Nobody is that smart.

Hey, I didn't bring it up

We have just broken new ground with where I said it was heading: flow throughs. Industry leading. I will be very interested to see where AA ends up with this. That gets regional guys, the majority of them that want it anyway, where they want to be in the fairest manner to the mainline guys who have already been there and done that. Flow through was suggested during the prep for C2K but was snubbed by both MECs. After all, they wanted to follow their checklist---as they flew their airplane into the ground.

Compel the company to take their product back, and bring other companies on board with taking THEIR product back, do not let go of any more flying, and negotiate for the cancellation of feeder contracts as they come up for renewal. Elect leadership which will carry through on their promises.

Well DUHHH...That was the point of the timing...You need leverage if you want to put the "scope genie" back in the bottle....Go back to that time, both DAL and CMR were at the end game and the economy and industry were still doing pretty good...The idea of trying to put the genie back in the bottle now is laughable...Timing is EVERYTHING...That was the time, this is not the time...

Don't think they might have had an agenda just like ALL of US do? Really?

OK, you are entitled to your opinion as are ALL of us, but you aren't entitled to your own facts...This urban legand has to stop...Bar and I have never been to a "cookout" and I never told anyone that they would be "junior" to me if they moved on to Delta. That simply isn't true and it wouldn't be fair. All I asked, and all that any reasonable person at ASA and CMR asked was that we keep our seniority on the "little airplanes"...Not too much to ask since you guys didn't really want to fly "little airplanes" anyway....

de le ted......