Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

You can keep saying it & I'll keep reminding you, ALPA merger policy at the time was status quo. By paycheck, or equipment, it would have been a staple. The Comair MEC was procedurally correct in following policy which stipulated a commitment to a merger BEFORE SLI openers.

The history does show Comair never even made an SLI opener, nor did ASA.

You say you heard crew room hearsay. I heard it straight from my MEC Chairman. Further there is a paper record of everything that happened before, during and after the 2000 BOD meeting which fired the starter's pistol on the race to the bottom.

The only purpose of this DOH lie was to scare Delta pilots and justify the separation which enabled scope sales. The "Comair demanded DOH" myth is tired and debunked. You harm your credibility by repeating it.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo

Read my original post, I said this is what the DPA's attorney has said, I did not say this was DPA's position. If you think that that there aren't any DPA members that want to change the seniority list and think DPA is the vehicle for that, then you are smoking crack. Come hang out in the DTW lounge for a few hours and you will see. DPA still can be all things to all people, because they have never had to stick to anything they have written or said, they can just change it at a whim.

Note again, I never said this was DPA's official position, I have seen the blurb on the website. My point was and remains, the DPA attorney has said that negotiating changed seniority lists was like negotiating crew meals and the DOH is the gold standard. I have provided proof of both of those statements. This is not an opinion, it is cold hard fact.

The DPA spin machine is out in force today, I think I hit a nerve.

Originally Posted by Check Essential

All true. But not the whole story.
The Comair guys were procedurally correct alright. They demanded the union declare a PID "Policy Initiation Date" which would have allowed them to take the Delta seniority list to arbitration. The Delta MEC rightfully told them right where to stick that idea. There was no way we were going to let that happen.
I understand your point Bar but don't blame that fiasco on the Delta pilots. The CMR/ASA guys way overplayed their hand. You can't deny that some of their lifers saw a chance to leapfrog and said so openly. They all might be on our seniority list right now if they had been reasonable.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

AMR stock did nearly nothing after the "biggest airplane order in history."

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Wonder what effect that has on our Board of Directors?

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Puff puff pass Nu! Puff puff pass! Stop screwing up the rotation.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

All true, but there was a sequential procedure to follow and the inexperienced MEC's followed it just like a checklist.

I have the unpublished "supposal" archived and it was a ASA and Comair merger by DOH with the result stapled below the last Delta pilot. Bidding protections from a flush might have been objectionable, but remember, this was an early edit of a proposal. (Interesting historical fact, I changed the names and re-posted the proposal as a format for a Delta / NWA merger and pilots from both sides liked the idea, if anyone remembers that thread)

There might have been other reasons the merger was a no go, but a Comair DOH demand was not one of them. Mostly the Delta pilots saw no benefit to capturing RJ flying ... and that probably has not changed.

Hope I don't "overplay my hand" when the Captain calls for the Before Takeoff
Check and I comply. (just kidding)

Originally Posted by Check Essential

The CMR/ASA guys way overplayed their hand. You can't deny that some of their lifers saw a chance to leapfrog and said so openly. They all might be on our seniority list right now if they had been reasonable.

Originally Posted by Boomer

After all, were the German pilots being "unreasonable" when they bombed Pearl Harbor?

Originally Posted by cencal83406

Awful big typo there...