acl65pilot

Do I get credit for my ten years at a DCI carrier before I came to DAL?

BlueMoon

I wasn't referring to getting credit for it above anyone on the DL seniority list.

Just during the regional integration arbitration...all the regional's would still be below DL pilots. That is how I would argue it, but I wouldn't expect anything from it, given how most integrations seem to unfold...such is life and it wouldn't work for myriad of reasons I can think of. Let an arbitrator decide how to merge 6 regional lists, that way you can't be accused of favoring one group over another.

Or just give us all an interview and sunset every cpa. I'm fine with that to.

Not sure why I'm arguing it, probably because it is 98 out an I'm delaying my daily run as long as possible, as it is all a pipe dream.

alfaromeo

Read my original post, I said this is what the DPA's attorney has said, I did not say this was DPA's position. If you think that that there aren't any DPA members that want to change the seniority list and think DPA is the vehicle for that, then you are smoking crack. Come hang out in the DTW lounge for a few hours and you will see. DPA still can be all things to all people, because they have never had to stick to anything they have written or said, they can just change it at a whim.

Note again, I never said this was DPA's official position, I have seen the blurb on the website. My point was and remains, the DPA attorney has said that negotiating changed seniority lists was like negotiating crew meals and the DOH is the gold standard. I have provided proof of both of those statements. This is not an opinion, it is cold hard fact.

The DPA spin machine is out in force today, I think I hit a nerve.

acl65pilot

I keep trying to tell my buddies that who are discussing it on a discussion we have ongoing, but stranger things have happened. DAL knows it needs pilots, knows it needs new jets, and knows that its pilots are in no mood to give up the 190 to make their decision easy. Combine all of that, and you just never know what may happen.

I meant my comment TIC, because frankly, DALPA would never to agree to anything that did otherwise.

sailingfun

Good concepts but two real problems. The first issue is how do you get management to agree. They own the seniority list not the union. They love divide and conquer as a cost savings measure.
The second issue is you say staple the regionals. The last time this got a serious look the airline involved (starts with a C and ends with a R) rejected a staple completely. They insisted on ALPA merger policy and made it know that their position would be DOH.

Ferd149

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BlueMoon

I don't claim to have the answers, but maybe you could threaten to sunset/not renew the CPA's with the companies that refuse to sign on.

They still get to make money on the aircraft and maintaining of the aircraft and get to shed those pesky employees

The regional unions might be tougher but maybe something along to same lines, though that might give grounds for a DFR suit.

I don't know, just throwing it out there on a day it is too hot to go outside.

Bucking Bar

You can keep writing it it & I'll keep reminding you, ALPA merger policy at the time was status quo. By paycheck, or equipment, it would have been a staple. The Comair MEC was procedurally correct in following policy which stipulated a commitment to a merger BEFORE SLI openers.

The history does show Comair never even made an SLI opener, nor did ASA.

You say you heard crew room hearsay. I heard it straight from my MEC Chairman. Further there is a paper record of everything that happened before, during and after the 2000 BOD meeting which fired the starter's pistol on the race to the bottom. Refer to one scrap of paper, any, even the back of a napkin, which documents a DOH demand. IT DOES NOT EXIST!

The only purpose of this DOH lie was to scare Delta pilots and justify the separation which enabled scope sales. The "Comair demanded DOH" myth is tired and debunked. You harm your credibility by repeating it.

But, you do raise a valid point if you were to re-state that the outcome today is much less certain than it was a decade ago. During the intervening years, our status quo positions have moved. The general move away from status quo benchmarks also makes the outcome less certain. After all, who had ever heard of pull & plug?

johnso29

You present management with the endless complaints against Delta Air Lines due to the complete lack of a competent, seamless product. This is the result of outsourcing.

Second, present them with the cost savings associated with less hiring & training since you bring the airplanes, pilots, & operating procedures right to Delta.

Third, regional pilots own their flying just as much as we do so it can be taken anytime & there is nothing they can do about it. Delta simply offers them a job and they come on over.

Check Essential

The Council 44 Chairman got booted for exactly this maneuver a few years ago. I heard he was suing Delta. I wonder if he ever got his money?