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Old 07-20-2011, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
God I hate reserve guys who put in Yellow slips. Not really but a nice fat trip that I thought would be GS went to a YS.

I use Yellow slips. You probably weren't going to get a GS anyway! If the trip is over 12 hours away it was going to go to the next long call reserve anyway, for us YS just changes the order in which we would get called. Or if it is less than 12 hours away, it was going to go to the next short call available. The only time it would turn into a GS is if there were no short calls and someone has a YS in. Very very rare in my base, in fact at any given time we usually have about 400% of the reserves required for that day. I don't YS on my days off, but I do it all the time on my days on in order to get the trips I want instead of getting stuck with short call.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:10 AM
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Anyone else hearing this??

The rumor is that DAL/DALPA/DCI are in talks with each other to bring the RJ-700/E-170 and above to mainline. Pilots would come with where the DCI pilots are given system seniority numbers on the bottom of our list and retain their current seat seniority for bidding purposes.

Seems to have some legs. It makes sense if they want the 190/RJ1000 and want the training efficiencies.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Am I reading the contract comparison correctly WRT our scope in that management can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW for every mainline aircraft added above 767 fleet count management can add 3 76 seaters, but can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW, they'd be replacing 70 seaters with 76 seaters?
You are correct.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Rogue24
Anyone else hearing this??

The rumor is that DAL/DALPA/DCI are in talks with each other to bring the RJ-700/E-170 and above to mainline. Pilots would come with where the DCI pilots are given system seniority numbers on the bottom of our list and retain their current seat seniority for bidding purposes.

Seems to have some legs. It makes sense if they want the 190/RJ1000 and want the training efficiencies.
Funny you should mention this. I was just talking about this rumor with a few ASA friends. Apparently they feel it has legs.

The savings are in the debt financing not the pilots costs. Their contracts all have trip and duty rigs these days. The training efficiencies would be huge as well.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Am I reading the contract comparison correctly WRT our scope in that management can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW for every mainline aircraft added above 767 fleet count management can add 3 76 seaters, but can never exceed 255 large RJ's? IOW, they'd be replacing 70 seaters with 76 seaters?
Yep, that is how it reads. 255 is the cap and they are near that now.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:22 AM
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Anybody use short term disability here? Buddy tore his ACL. Not ACL65pilot, just the ACL in the knee. We've been reading the contract but anyone with experience that has some do's and do nots?


Also on a separate but possibly similar subject - wear your seatbelts on the hotel van.
Yes to both!!
Just came off STD. Must exhaust all sick time first then roll right into STD. You get paid with a manual check and then DPMA (if he's a member) will send a check or do a direct deposit. I filled all the paper work out from Harvey Watt (STD firm that DAL uses) in plenty of time to be able to roll from sick leave to STD. All was pretty straight forward and painless. My resources were the ATL CPO and the lady from DPMA (she LOVES to talk ALOT : )

As for the seat belt and hotel van....been there done that. About a year ago the whole crew (5 of us) in a suburban locked' em up on the interstate heading to the hotel. We stopped about half an inch from the bumper in front, but the Audi behind us wasn't so good! Needless to say the FA's flew back in the morning and were removed from the rest of their rotation. Me and the Captain were a little sore (neck) but good to go. We were belted in they weren't
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I'm always skeptical when I hear these kind of anecdotes. This has NEVER been mentioned anywhere at DPA. Not on the website, not in person with any of the leaders. Nobody ever. First of all, it is legally all but impossible. Unlike USAir, we're already combined. Contract and SLI all done. Nobody in their right mind would dream of wasting one ounce of time or money attempting to change the unchangeable.

I'm not saying there's not a knucklehead or two that believe what this guy believes, but it's a huge minority and nobody in DPA leadership.

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Carl,

According to DPA's lawyer, negotiating seniority is like negotiating a crew meal, no difference. If you don't believe me, go search youtube for a video series titled something like "Can't take the heat, USAPA in the desert." The whole thing is like two hours on 8 or 9 different videos so I am not going to spend the time to find the right link.

So DPA's lawyer has said that it is quite easy to renegotiate a seniority list. It might be difficult for him to announce that for another group that it's impossible to renegotiate a seniority list, that presents a severe conflict of interest there.

You are flat out wrong about the state of US Air's seniority list. There was a transition agreement that stated the process that the two groups would use to create an integrated list. That process was completed and the list was accepted by the company. There is a single seniority list at US Air, it just hasn't been used for anything because they are still in separate ops. Changing that list is no different that changing our list, and DPA's attorney says that seniority is just like a crew meal, so it's easy to change.

I don't know what lounge you hang out in in Detroit, but the one I hang out in has many people talking about how DPA is going to change the seniority list. DPA's attorney says that date of hire is the gold standard in integrating seniority lists, so that might be their target.

The problem with DPA now is that it is all things to all people. Some vote for DPA because they want a new seniority list. I have heard green book guys say that DPA is their ticket to seek revenge on the red book guys. Junior guys think DPA will eliminate RJ's and create hundreds of new mainline jet orders overnight. Middle seniority guys think that DPA will magically deliver a 50% pay raise. Some Delta dead zoners think DPA will deliver a new pension wrapped in a pretty bow. I don't know if the delay in delivering their constitution falls at least in part to somehow reconciling these diverse views of DPA.

One thing is certain, DPA is a chameleon now. Whenever their stated goals or milestones get in the way of reality, they merely change their website and voila, they are still all things to all people. If only it were that easy in the real world.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
DPA's attorney says that date of hire is the gold standard in integrating seniority lists, so that might be their target.
If you can give me a quote and date, I will personally join the anti DPA fight with more fervor than you can imagine. This would totally invalidate anything they have ever talked about. If this is yet another of your scare tactics, then it is worth the paper it is printed on. Names, dates, and citations... other than that and this has zero credibility.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Rogue24
Anyone else hearing this??

The rumor is that DAL/DALPA/DCI are in talks with each other to bring the RJ-700/E-170 and above to mainline. Pilots would come with where the DCI pilots are given system seniority numbers on the bottom of our list and retain their current seat seniority for bidding purposes.

Seems to have some legs. It makes sense if they want the 190/RJ1000 and want the training efficiencies.
Staple and have another airline own the airplanes?
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by sinca3
Yes to both!!
Just came off STD. Must exhaust all sick time first then roll right into STD. You get paid with a manual check and then DPMA (if he's a member) will send a check or do a direct deposit. I filled all the paper work out from Harvey Watt (STD firm that DAL uses) in plenty of time to be able to roll from sick leave to STD. All was pretty straight forward and painless. My resources were the ATL CPO and the lady from DPMA (she LOVES to talk ALOT : )

As for the seat belt and hotel van....been there done that. About a year ago the whole crew (5 of us) in a suburban locked' em up on the interstate heading to the hotel. We stopped about half an inch from the bumper in front, but the Audi behind us wasn't so good! Needless to say the FA's flew back in the morning and were removed from the rest of their rotation. Me and the Captain were a little sore (neck) but good to go. We were belted in they weren't
Thanks sinca.

Captain's last trip, or right before last, involved a t-bone of a car that ran a red light.

I still haven't gotten over the dead body I saw halfway hanging out of their overturned SUV on the way to work one morning. I've got to believe your SUV can flip on its side but you'll still be in your seat with your seat belt on.
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