Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-20-2011, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
DOH and then bring over the 70+ seaters. XJT would be a problem as they never had 70+ seaters to begin with.
And what happens if the person was turned down by DAL in an interview? I saw this at CAL-Coex flow through, they offered some sort of way to interview and go early out of seniority order and there were people literally turned down by CAL who had to stay at XJT until they flowed up. So in essence, CAL hired pilots they said they didn't want to hire.
The beauty of this if it was real, you're not closing Surely jet or other similiar DCIs. You're letting them exist you're just taking stuff and bringing people that want to come because they could say no.
But no fences.
Compass? We could kick RAH out and replace them with Delta flying?
What would happen to the 255 limit? Could we take it down to 0?
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I'm sure though in the end that we're just all speeding down the highway with smoke trailing from our Labrador blunt:
And what happens if the person was turned down by DAL in an interview? I saw this at CAL-Coex flow through, they offered some sort of way to interview and go early out of seniority order and there were people literally turned down by CAL who had to stay at XJT until they flowed up. So in essence, CAL hired pilots they said they didn't want to hire.
The beauty of this if it was real, you're not closing Surely jet or other similiar DCIs. You're letting them exist you're just taking stuff and bringing people that want to come because they could say no.
But no fences.
Compass? We could kick RAH out and replace them with Delta flying?
What would happen to the 255 limit? Could we take it down to 0?
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I'm sure though in the end that we're just all speeding down the highway with smoke trailing from our Labrador blunt:
07-20-2011, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
How could we do DOH? Our list isn't even in DOH order.
Standby, puff puff pass.
Okay next? Who wants to share in this pipe dream?
07-20-2011, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I meant if we stapled multiple DCIs. They could be DOH amongst themselves.
Standby, puff puff pass.
Okay next? Who wants to share in this pipe dream?
Standby, puff puff pass.
Okay next? Who wants to share in this pipe dream?
07-20-2011, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Okay next? Who wants to share in this pipe dream?
This whole line of wishful thinking is just that.
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07-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
This whole line of wishful thinking is just that.
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Nu
07-20-2011, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
This whole line of wishful thinking is just that.
Nu
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Feels and sounds good though, huh?
07-20-2011, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I meant if we stapled multiple DCIs. They could be DOH amongst themselves.
Standby, puff puff pass.
Okay next? Who wants to share in this pipe dream?
Standby, puff puff pass.
Okay next? Who wants to share in this pipe dream?
Sounds good, but I would just hand the regional lists to an arbitrator and tell them to merge them, each side gets to make their argument. As a guy who is on my second DCI carrier after the last one downsized, I'd like some credit for the last 5.5 years. That way there is some semblance of a fair integration. Then staple it all to the bottom of Big D's list.
Also, exclude non ALPA regional carriers and limit the flying to their current levels and no renewal to their CPA when it expires.
Who cares what certificate the plane is on or what company holds the certificate. All flying done for Delta or Delta Connection is done by a pilot on the Delta Master Seniority List and is ruled by the Delta contract. Delta charges the regional company for use of it's pilots. The regional operates as it does know, just minus pilots and probably less support staff. They become an Aircraft, Maintenance, and Insurance company.
Pass to the left
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07-20-2011, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Puff puff pass Nu! Puff puff pass! Stop screwing up the rotation.
07-20-2011, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
If you can give me a quote and date, I will personally join the anti DPA fight with more fervor than you can imagine. This would totally invalidate anything they have ever talked about. If this is yet another of your scare tactics, then it is worth the paper it is printed on. Names, dates, and citations... other than that and this has zero credibility.
Second, plaintiffs failed to state a claim. Their claim is based on USAPA’s
pre-certification opposition to the Nicolau Award, which was contemporaneous
with the effective exercise of a veto power accorded to the East MEC and East
pilots under ALPA Merger Policy. More importantly, federal case law rejects the
concept of pre-certification DFR liability. In the post-certification period, USAPA
merely followed the date-of-hire gold standard recognized by the union movement
and implemented by every other union at US Airways, albeit with the incorporation
of protections for West pilots that no other union accorded to its West counterparts.
pre-certification opposition to the Nicolau Award, which was contemporaneous
with the effective exercise of a veto power accorded to the East MEC and East
pilots under ALPA Merger Policy. More importantly, federal case law rejects the
concept of pre-certification DFR liability. In the post-certification period, USAPA
merely followed the date-of-hire gold standard recognized by the union movement
and implemented by every other union at US Airways, albeit with the incorporation
of protections for West pilots that no other union accorded to its West counterparts.
Indeed, courts have gone so far as to hold that the legitimacy of
alternative seniority integration arrangements can be evaluated by the extent to
which they deviate from the gold standard of date-of-hire integration.
alternative seniority integration arrangements can be evaluated by the extent to
which they deviate from the gold standard of date-of-hire integration.
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/9th_...al-25Sep09.pdf
07-20-2011, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
You can look at the transcripts from the original Addington vs. USAPA case and you will find at least 100 times. Here is a snippet from Seham's appeal to the 9th Circuit (emphasis added):
Here is another (emphasis added):
Here is the link to the document. Go to page 37 and there is an entire section titled "DOH Seniority Integration as the Gold Standard".
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/9th_...al-25Sep09.pdf
Here is another (emphasis added):
Here is the link to the document. Go to page 37 and there is an entire section titled "DOH Seniority Integration as the Gold Standard".
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/9th_...al-25Sep09.pdf
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