Weren't you at a regional? What did you to raise the bar? You were lucky enough to be in the first class at DAL in '07, doesn't make you almighty mainline pilot all the sudden.

 

Touche Joe!

 

Geez. What is it, a full moon tonight? Everybody's all testy.

 

Yes, Yes, Yes - I agree!!!! My point (which I must admit, in hindsight must have been poorly made) was that individual W-2's are meaningless.

I will repeat this again - indivdual W-2's are meaningless. As was said someone used a DAL FO who made 200K as an example - totally meaningless because that is not the "norm" at DAL.

Do I think DAL Pilots are better compensated than SWA - No. Should we get a raise to match them - absolutely.

For the next guy who has any desire to respond to this post I will save you trouble:

Random DL&G Keyboard warrior extraordinaire: "Gee Scoop, I cant believe you think we are better paid than SWA."

Me: "That is not what I said."

Random DL&G Keyboard warrior extraordinaire: "What is wrong with you Scoop? SWAs Pilots make more than us."

Me: "I was talking about...................Oh hell I give up!"

Scoop

 

Ok guys and gals!
This is getting childish. I'm all for opinions but it's getting a bit personal and for what? Everybody wants more $$. Everybody wants better working conditions. Get off your ass and get it done, but stop blaming each other and causing so much discourse in the industry.
We all came here because we love to fly (I know there are those that did it for the money and hot FA's) Let's work together to fix the industry as a whole.

 

Well said sinca3...80ktsClamp I believe was at Pinnacle which was/is one of the worst regionals in terms of pay/workrules...If ASA did increase it's pay by 40%, it would be replaced with someone like Clamps former Pinnacle....

 

"Surly service?" I think that goes around, not just mainline. In fact, I guarantee you it does. And bigger airplanes? Don't count on it Joe. That ship has sailed. As you mentioned earlier, you're flying smaller jets. Until and if you make the leap to the majors, get used to it.

Hopefully, we'll be hiring soon and you can move up. If you need a reference, shoot me a PM.

 

More or less, yes. There are references given to be able to judge wingtip clearance. When in doubt, stop.

We had a 737 high five another 737's horizontal stab recently with its winglet. Can't explain that one away... I saw the offending 737 just before he entered the ramp. Let's just say that rushing rarely has a good outcome.

 

Pinnacle was a small regional when I got hired there and paid average to above average on the CRJ-200 among the regionals. The 200 pay was within a couple dollars an hour of ASA's for the most part. There were no large RJ's anywhere in sight... in fact, the agreement with DL for the large RJ's didn't happen until I was already at mainline. As has been stated, the CRJ-900 (and EMB 170 series) are true DC-9 size aircraft replacements.

I am in no way an almighty mainline pilot, and I don't appreciate you reading into it that way. Joe voraciously defends his chosen career position to stay at an outsourced feeder we've fed more and more flying over the years... which was a horrible decision. Even when I as in high school, I learned about airlines outsourcing and couldn't understand why that flying wasn't done by the mainline pilots. It has been a long term goal to fix that, and now to restore the career to it's true potential after all the cuts the last decade.

Besides, it's really funny when he gets riled up.

 

I have to defend Joe for a second...I flew with him many times at ASA. Great Guy and extremely smart!!! Actually, he has more in common with many Delta pilots regarding how bad ALPA sucks!!

There were many "Lifers" at ASA, and that is not a bad thing. I am a Delta pilot and love it!! I understand how RJ's have changed the airline environment and am fully in favor of seeing there numbers decrease. But Please for the love of god, dont make all Delta Pilots seem stuck up, concieted and have this attitude that we are better than anyone else!!!

And bringing up past accidents/incidents does no one justice!!! People died!!

By the way..........